atma drop rates

[Divine_Intervention]

hot air

Lol. It's all luck. You aren't taking into account the fact that a lot of time people are on, there aren't enough people in an area to complete fates and bugger off to the next one. BTW, i've completed the atma already.. and got my first book... after an hour of farming... so yeah -_-

This system is not fine, and the more elitists who say "oh we did it already , it's fine!", all the while complaining their own heads off when they were doing it.. yeah, that's not gonna get anything sorted.

And who said you were scum? I see nothing of the sort in my post.

Oh, and just an FYI, have a read The meaning of the word "grind" relating to video games

You did so many fates in a couple minutes, well big woop to you. Would you like a round of applause, or a chocolate bar. Shall I link to the hundreds of other posts of players in the same situation as many in this thread. I could use the one example of someone who's been farming this for 120hrs without a drop at all.

And we wonder why the system isn't being fixed ?

[MilesSaintboroguh]

RNG is still luck no matter how you slice it. Saying people want something for nothing is just a hyperbole; people who are against the Atma grind have complained, but many others also gave ideas on how to make it better while still requiring a lot of work to be put in. You cannot do FATE farming wrong; you grind the same ones at the same rate over and over again and either get lucky or you don't. You can do just a few day and get lucky or don't. That's the nature of RNG. Do the same FATEs 500 times a day or do them just 40 times in a day, it's still up to luck to decide whether or not you get the drop.

People that insist that the grind for Atma is not bad and that people should stop whining are simply refusing to see problems from the other side or lack the ability to understand.

[Lord_Mord]

I could actually stomach a 100 hour grind on fates, with a smile on my face, no fool'n.

However, there are those getting it done in less than 12 hours.

If you have this part of the zodiac chain done and have invested LESS THAN 80% of the time than the individual who has spent the MOST amount of time on it has, you don't deserve your weapon, and you should have it replaced with zenith and your progress reset.

[Awdogsgo2heaven]

Wow people are still complaining about this?

[Avarghaladion]

I won't even bother quoting Avarghaladion-chan, who doesn't even try to discuss, may he say what pleases him, it's just been a soliloquy he made assuming false things.

I literally invited you to provide counter-points... which you haven't done ever, or don't know how to do.... All the butthurt your cognitive dissonance is causing yourself probably makes it too difficult to see well enough to read. That being said, obvious troll is now blisted troll. Congralutations on consistently being the most ignorant person in the thread, YanDerp.

I could actually stomach a 100 hour grind on fates, with a smile on my face, no fool'n.

As we always have. There's historically not a big stink made about the legitimate, progress driven grinds we've put up with as MMO gamers. I wasn't remotely annoyed by the pre-nerf relic grinds in XI because it was built around good content and RNG factor had a controlled, balanced impact. Those relic quests took people years to accomplish and no one complained. The reason people are complaining now isn't because these are different gamers in a different time, as I've seen some people suggesting. Virtually everyone I know in game played XI for a very very long time, most since NA release. The reason people are complaining about Atma is because every facet of it, from concept to execution, is complete horseshit.

If you have this part of the zodiac chain done and have invested LESS THAN 80% of the time than the individual who has spent the MOST amount of time on it has, you don't deserve your weapon, and you should have it replaced with zenith and your progress reset.

I don't entirely disagree, but that's a bit hyperbolic, in my opinion. I do get a chuckle out of people like YanDerp up there developing a superiority complex and grandiose delusions after having theirs handed to them on a silver platter in less time than a good chunk of people spend in a single zone. What should happen, but won't ever happen again, is that SE should openly admit that they messed up and just fix the issue. I've not known SE to have the integrity to do this though, except for that one time where they lost a fortune in 1.0 and finally were forced to own up to their mistakes. The most offensive part in all this is how trivial it would be to just balance the "content" in question, since we all know it's going to be ubernerfed regardless.

[Avarghaladion]

This is why basic, fundamental probs and stats should be mandatory in public school.

[oORoyalBlueOo]

Keep trying, because Novus is rly good thing at secondery stat u can change it aswell

[The_Juggler]

I finally got one!

After over 1000 FATEs and an unfathomable number of hours, I finally got an Atma for the first time.
Atma of the Goat - I'll cherish it deeply.
It was about a month ago that I started messing with Atma, so just 12 more months to go!

More seriously though, this confirms that there's nothing wrong with my character and I'm not doing it wrong, which is something I've worried about for a long time. I had thought that maybe there's some game bug or that I'm missing something really stupid.
Nope, it's not me, Atma is just incredibly stupid and unfair.

[RiceisNice]

Clearly I must be playing on a vastly higher level of player skill if I managed to get 3 Atmas in one day... all of which by doing one FATE at a time and moving onto the next one after the current one finishes.

There's no diminishing returns or pseudo RNG from what I've experienced here; a 3% drop is a 3% drop, nothing else to say about that. I don't see how "rolling 3 dices at the same time" is any different from "rolling 3 dices after each other", considering you only need one of them to hit that 3%

I also feel that the concept of Atma just offhands the design of the game; you're not really helping lowbies or doing well in FATEs if you're swarming them with a party or simply tagging it and running off.

I can't help but see the same problem being repeated in the future; There's always an alternative which is both more accessible and more-or-less the same stats (ST and hunts giving tomestones and allied seals for unweathered weapons)

[YanDere]

The quote is too messy.
You got the single phrases and cut them out of their context.
The grind is something very long and, for most players, boring. The grind is, by definition, something you don't like doing, that leads to a very good reward.
You can't ask for equality in an RNG-based grind, it's stupid.
Accept it, or don't do it, because atma grinding is not "for the skin", but for the animus: it's like saying that Hydra and Chimera are useless because I spent more time doing Ifrit-Garuda-Titan than them. You don't do animus by completing 9 books, you do it by completing A relic reborn, then grinding 12 atmas, then completing 9 books. You didn't spend more time grinding atmas than doing animus, because you were doing animus all along.

I don't see how "rolling 3 dices at the same time" is any different from "rolling 3 dices after each other", considering you only need one of them to hit that 3%

I explained this, twice, with examples.
But I know you won't bother scrolling up so here we go again:
If you roll 3 dices one every 10 minutes, you can get one reward at 10min, 1 at 20 min, 1 at 30 min, or none; if you roll 3 dices together after 10 minutes, you can get one at 10 minutes, or none.
The number of FATEs changes the overall drop rate, the time it takes to you to do them changes the time it takes to actually drop.
If doing 1 FATE every 10 minutes you drop after 15 FATEs, it takes 150 minutes. If you're doing 3 every 10 minutes, you drop after 50 minutes. It's like rolling a dice to get 6 (but not getting it) then waiting 10 minutes, or rolling continuously until you get that 6, it takes way less to go faster.