The Striking Tree versus Turn 2

[Alistaire]

I'm sure they looked at it at first and considered allowing it, but the fact titan was taking the wrong amount of damage due to some bad code makes this a different situation than turn 2. Turn 6 LOS method is the same as turn 2 enrage, being an unexpected strategy, and SE has also said OK to that.

Bottom line is if titan tanking had worked without an error in the code, they probably would've allowed it.

[Rydia13]

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You don't seem to get what he's saying. In turn 2, people found a loophole and since everything in the fight was working as intended, they chose not to change it.

With the Ramuh fight, Titan taking far less damage than he normally would WAS an error and got patched. There was no battle mechanics issue it was just a pet issue. It would be the same as if Eos' Embrace healed for 9999 HP, they'd patch that up as well.

[ShinigamiZero]

I don't have a problem with alternate strategies but when it makes people exclude tanks in groups; I do have a problem with it. Brings back memories of 'We don't want a monk for coils just bards and casters' back in the day and what Rydia13 said.

[Codek]

Clearly, this unintended strategy just crossed the line on what SE allows as "Out of the box" strategies.

Nothing more, noting less.

[Ulathskullsplitter]

That resulted on Titan being much better than a well geared tank on Ramuh since Ramuh does only magic attacks.

I'll start by saying I haven't done Ramuh ex yet but the fact he only does magic damage worries me. Dragoons have no magic defense. Crafters have more magic defense than dragoons. So if the strat becomes to exclude DRG in PF do you think SE would make such a fast change? Not a chance. Or if a fights mechanics are horribly lopsided to punish melee while ranged have it easy do you think they'd make a change? Nope. Look at Garuda ex when it released and every party in PF said no melee. Did SE respond? Nope. But upset the spoiled golden children in one fight and the changes are instant. It was nice to know there was an encounter where you could think outside the box and not be stuck relying on tanks.

[Nekodar]

I'll start by saying I haven't done Ramuh ex yet but the fact he only does magic damage worries me. Dragoons have no magic defense. Crafters have more magic defense than dragoons. So if the strat becomes to exclude DRG in PF do you think SE would make such a fast change? Not a chance. Or if a fights mechanics are horribly lopsided to punish melee while ranged have it easy do you think they'd make a change? Nope. Look at Garuda ex when it released and every party in PF said no melee. Did SE respond? Nope. But upset the spoiled golden children in one fight and the changes are instant. It was nice to know there was an encounter where you could think outside the box and not be stuck relying on tanks.

Well, are Dragoon's supposed to tank Ramuh?
Do Dragoon's not handle taking magic aoe damage from other stuff? Do you get excluded from anything where magic aoe damage can happen?

There are videos of stuff being done without tanks at all. No tank usually mean more work and harder to beat the content. You can probably go ahead and Titan-Egi Ramuh Ex again, just be prepared to deal with the egi taking the damage it's supposed to take.

[Vaer]

But upset the spoiled golden children in one fight and the changes are instant. It was nice to know there was an encounter where you could think outside the box and not be stuck relying on tanks.

This was gonna turn sour eventually. I'm thinking it was half fixing the eventuality when solo queue Ramuh Ex gets added and the strategy everyone uses is Titan-Egi, what if there are no summoners in the group? What if it forces 2 tanks into the party? Everyone is going to be used to Titan-Egi strats and videos and the people doing it in duty finder will be SOL.

At least Turn 2 enrage was still viable in Duty Finder.

[Immut]

I'll start by saying I haven't done Ramuh ex yet but the fact he only does magic damage worries me. Dragoons have no magic defense. Crafters have more magic defense than dragoons. So if the strat becomes to exclude DRG in PF do you think SE would make such a fast change? Not a chance. Or if a fights mechanics are horribly lopsided to punish melee while ranged have it easy do you think they'd make a change? Nope. Look at Garuda ex when it released and every party in PF said no melee. Did SE respond? Nope. But upset the spoiled golden children in one fight and the changes are instant. It was nice to know there was an encounter where you could think outside the box and not be stuck relying on tanks.

Obviously the solution is to wear crafting gear.

[JTribal]

If this was such a huge issue, why did they not patch Titan Egi when people started using him to tank King Mog?

I understand the fights are different, but in King Mog, this completely eliminated the need to tank swap, tank mogs never got stacks, and the overall stress level of the fight was way lower.

I guess I'm just playing Devil's Advocate here, since I would personally prefer to get a win using the correct method as it was intended. Still, the logic does not make sense.

[Alcide]

You don't seem to get what he's saying. In turn 2, people found a loophole and since everything in the fight was working as intended, they chose not to change it.

That's quite an understatement, an enrage mechanich that makes the fight actually easier it's not a "loophole" it's a major design flaw.