The Striking Tree versus Turn 2

[Taruranto]

Because in the case of Ramuh Ex, one entire role (tank) is being locked out of the content. Players always choose the path of least resistance, and once a strat is established (t2 enrage), no party will use any other method. This is unfair for players who only have tank as a main job and no other sub class.

That is the way I see it.

So what? We had months were non-ranger DPS were locked out of content. Garuda and Ifrit exe were a giant middle finger to them.

[Lithera]

So what? We had months were non-ranger DPS were locked out of content. Garuda and Ifrit exe were a giant middle finger to them.

I cleared EX Primals just fine on DRG. Tornados didn't slow me an inch. Spine shatter across if the tanks didn't swap and keep going. With all those where melee was shunned you could roll with FC mates who knew you weren't derp. With Titan tank you aren't as likely to bring your buddy on PLD.

[SinisterJoint]

I still stand my ground in calling it a loophole considering passing rot is not hard at all. People found out that that spam ADS does at the end can be healed through. It's no huge flaw, it didn't make the fight significantly easier. Unless of course you found that "stand next to the person with the giant 4 over them when rots about to end" challenging lol

wait what? So your saying people completely negating all mechanics in a fight doesn't make it easier? Time to wake up, stop hitting snooze

[Naus]

The thing about T2 is that the 0 clicks method you fight during the enrage. There are typically two kinds of enrages, a Hard Enrage where you will die the moment the parameters for the enrage is met.

The other one is the Soft Enrage. Typically these are meant to give the party some breathing room on a tight dps check. In other MMO's I've finished a couple fights 2 or 3 mins into a soft enrage. Though typically soft enrages damage increase over time until it meets the power of a Hard Enrage. This and losing its previous abilities is what is missing from the Soft Enrage of T2. If T2 kept the bosses abilities once the enrage happened I, personally, think that it would be a better fight from a technical level.

[Taruranto]

I cleared EX Primals just fine on DRG.

That's because my point is not that "you can't clear with non-ranger DPS" but "It's significantly easier with ranger DPS to the point the average PUG would prefer it". And let's not pretent Ifrit exe with a Ranged-pt doesn't allow you to skip several mechanics. Many parties didn't want a DRG/MNK since they made the fight much harder. It wasn't rare to find a PF with "RANGED DPS ONLY" message.

[Lithera]

Ranged DPS aren't immune to Eruptions and they make the nails only marginally easier. I saw ranged DPS running into healers more than melee lol I could find PF groups as melee for the EX Primals. The Titan tank had the potential to become the ONLY acceptable way to do the fight meaning tank slots in PF for Ramuh EX would be 0 instead of 3/10 Garuda EXs having a melee slot. Basically melees were mildly undesirable for the early EXs due to the chance of crappy dodging, tanks would have been OBSOLETE for Ramuh EX unless you premade and Ramuh EX on DF would become literally impossible (like T2 normal) since no one would know what to do with two tanks and no SMN. There's no argument. Titan tank had to go.

[Logistical]

In Ramuh Extreme the only thing that changed was that you didn't need any tank and u lost ONE and ONLY ONE mechanic.
Honestly I don't agree with this choice. Nerfing Egis is making me think that Square Enix wants that all the Summoners use only Garuda.

The main part of the Ramuh fight is your Lighting orb management. Which by eliminating the needs for tanks to take orbs you make the entire fight even more of a joke than it currently is. Q.Q

Good job to SE; happy to see them on top of things. Especially new content.

[dejavutwo]

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Just because you were able to clear it as melee doesn't mean it wasn't a problem for others. I knew the fight, and could reliably dodge double wicked wheel, but I end up giving up on extreme primals and end-game content entirely during that patch cycle because "ranged only" evolved into the go-to method for any type of pickup group. One day alone I got turned down from 4 different groups because "Ranged Only." The few times I tried duty finder, someone would say "Too many melee" and drop - usually a tank or healer. When I tried to create my own groups, they simply wouldn't fill.

I had to wait until echo just to get into a group so that people wouldn't care as much about having perfect group composition.

[Yumi_umi]

Imo SE will only rework titan egi if this continues to arise in future instances as the easiest way to do it and if more cheesing mechanics pursue.
So i guess SE is just testing the water atm cuz u know.....
It'd be a huge middle finger to SE and the devs if ppl just used titan egi for their next big patch primal * cough shiva..
Or if new coil / endgame instances are tanked using titan egi. Then that's when you know something needs to be changed.
But if they nerf titan egi in the future then smns will QQ if given no compensation to adjust to the loss.
So SE just can't jump the gun and apply a new nerf to titan in the following months.
If they took out the aoe resistance etc from titan then they beed to apply it to all egis but in doing so will make smns work twice as hard due to having to make their pets dance with them while dpsing.

[Dwill]

I cleared EX Primals just fine on DRG. Tornados didn't slow me an inch. Spine shatter across if the tanks didn't swap and keep going. With all those where melee was shunned you could roll with FC mates who knew you weren't derp. With Titan tank you aren't as likely to bring your buddy on PLD.

And why is that ? Your tank could just swap to some strength accessories and DPS as well. I mean, you just said it yourself, roll with FC mates. Or doesn't that apply here because of "reasons" ?