The Striking Tree versus Turn 2

[Logistical]

In Ramuh Extreme the only thing that changed was that you didn't need any tank and u lost ONE and ONLY ONE mechanic.
Honestly I don't agree with this choice. Nerfing Egis is making me think that Square Enix wants that all the Summoners use only Garuda.

The main part of the Ramuh fight is your Lighting orb management. Which by eliminating the needs for tanks to take orbs you make the entire fight even more of a joke than it currently is. Q.Q

Good job to SE; happy to see them on top of things. Especially new content.

[SeraviEdalborez]

Just saying, there was no reason Titan-tank should exclude players who only have tank jobs from Ramuh. Aside from just doing it the legit way, Tank DPS is not as low as people think it is, and it's as easy as dropping Defiance or being in Sword Oath.

I would argue the average pickup DPS is so lackluster at their rotation that tank DPS, being as easy as it is, is comparable or better.

[Dwill]

Just saying, there was no reason Titan-tank should exclude players who only have tank jobs from Ramuh. Aside from just doing it the legit way, Tank DPS is not as low as people think it is, and it's as easy as dropping Defiance or being in Sword Oath.

I would argue the average pickup DPS is so lackluster at their rotation that tank DPS, being as easy as it is, is comparable or better.

Fully agreed. A paladin in Sword Oath and full strength accessories would deal a quite respectable amount of DPS so that he could actually finish the fight on the jobs he wants while actually contributing to the fight.

[Alipoprocks]

Just saying, there was no reason Titan-tank should exclude players who only have tank jobs from Ramuh. Aside from just doing it the legit way, Tank DPS is not as low as people think it is, and it's as easy as dropping Defiance or being in Sword Oath.

I would argue the average pickup DPS is so lackluster at their rotation that tank DPS, being as easy as it is, is comparable or better.

Except that Ramuh was done with all summoners and healer(s).

I don't really have a position on this argument. But I do like that there is a way to do a fight that doesn't require a tank. I hope the titan-egi nerf didn't completely remove the ability to be creative.

[MissE]

Not sure why people are even bringing up T2.
I can still bring one tank to T2 if there's no SMN, and it will still work. Now, try that with Ramuh.
The point is Titan-Egi can do something normal tanks can't, while in T2 they both work.

I do think people should stop using the "excluding the tanks" argument.
You can totally do it with 2 tanks and 4 DPS with Titan-Egi tanking, and you'll still have 6 people killing the adds.
Oh well, I guess you all already know how this community works, because you know people are going to get 6 DPS just to speed run the fight :/

[Taban]

I think it's funny how people are handwaving away T2's difficulty. T2 was probably the only "difficult" pre-Twin fight in old coil. It wasn't hard, but passing rot did take some coordination and time to learn. PUGs went almost overnight from only pugging T1 to pugging through T4. Honestly in terms of looking like an exploit T2 was much much worse than Ramuh.

[Naus]

The thing about T2 is that the 0 clicks method you fight during the enrage. There are typically two kinds of enrages, a Hard Enrage where you will die the moment the parameters for the enrage is met.

The other one is the Soft Enrage. Typically these are meant to give the party some breathing room on a tight dps check. In other MMO's I've finished a couple fights 2 or 3 mins into a soft enrage. Though typically soft enrages damage increase over time until it meets the power of a Hard Enrage. This and losing its previous abilities is what is missing from the Soft Enrage of T2. If T2 kept the bosses abilities once the enrage happened I, personally, think that it would be a better fight from a technical level.

[Lithera]

Ranged DPS aren't immune to Eruptions and they make the nails only marginally easier. I saw ranged DPS running into healers more than melee lol I could find PF groups as melee for the EX Primals. The Titan tank had the potential to become the ONLY acceptable way to do the fight meaning tank slots in PF for Ramuh EX would be 0 instead of 3/10 Garuda EXs having a melee slot. Basically melees were mildly undesirable for the early EXs due to the chance of crappy dodging, tanks would have been OBSOLETE for Ramuh EX unless you premade and Ramuh EX on DF would become literally impossible (like T2 normal) since no one would know what to do with two tanks and no SMN. There's no argument. Titan tank had to go.

[Yumi_umi]

Imo SE will only rework titan egi if this continues to arise in future instances as the easiest way to do it and if more cheesing mechanics pursue.
So i guess SE is just testing the water atm cuz u know.....
It'd be a huge middle finger to SE and the devs if ppl just used titan egi for their next big patch primal * cough shiva..
Or if new coil / endgame instances are tanked using titan egi. Then that's when you know something needs to be changed.
But if they nerf titan egi in the future then smns will QQ if given no compensation to adjust to the loss.
So SE just can't jump the gun and apply a new nerf to titan in the following months.
If they took out the aoe resistance etc from titan then they beed to apply it to all egis but in doing so will make smns work twice as hard due to having to make their pets dance with them while dpsing.