European servers

[Amberyl]

Not with the way they designed how this game handles data, even with a steady 80ms I have problems dealing with aoes, yet I can play any Action MMO or FPS with 200~300ms and have no issues, only here, a tab-target game.

You have a third of my ping from Hong Kong, yet I don't struggle? The same was true of many of my Japanese friends during beta, when I was playing from the UK on the Japanese data centre. Almost certainly the quality of your ISP. I gained 130ms moving from the UK to HK, yet the game feels much more responsive and reliable now. I bet if you traceroute, you'll find it's little more than a case of a few dodgy hops.

[Kiara1]

And they are already telling others not to even try the game due to it as well.

I actually told this to all my friends who asked if the game was any good. I told them it's really laggy for eu players and they shouldn't even try it.
I'm already stuck so it's too late for me to leave

But I do, and it's not only with dodging, things like using bane or fester right after using a DoT will cause the last DoT to not be spread/not be used for fester

This is so annoying, I've learned to adapt and wait one second before casting fester. And it hurts my gameplay when playing other games (like dota 2) cause everything I do there goes instantly. So after I've played too much final fantasy I suck at dota cause I am waiting that one second and not reacting fast enough.

[Alukah]

You should have absolutely no issue dodging AOEs with a steady 80ms.

But I do, and it's not only with dodging, things like using bane or fester right after using a DoT will cause the last DoT to not be spread/not be used for fester, or getting a skill cast interrupted for no reason (actually there is a reason: in the server side you're still casting the skill)

You have half the ping I do and actually even a 1/4 of the ping that my friend in Australia has, and we've both been able to clear all of the content in the game we've come across with ease thus-far. Even when I had personally a connection in London of 200ms due to a low-quality line and high traffic area I was still able to complete the content without issue.

I am glad you are not having any issues, many of us still do.

Packet transfers in FFXIV do not prevent hacking, not even remotely I have no idea where you're pulling that information from, the packet transfers are extremely easy to manipulate.

No, I am talking about the server being fully proprietary, in order to lower the impact of latency is common for a lot of game to let the client predict some movements (with the downside of opening a door to exploits, but this is usually controlled with anti-cheat programs) this game is more strict with how data is handled, what you see on the screen doesn't matter, only what is happening in the server matters. The issue is a bit more complex and it was detailed in another thread, but I can't seem to find it now.

A lot of the time that players encountered this issue, we found they were moving too slowly, either due to their reaction times and or they weren't looking at the cast bar.
For example in Titan HM, "Weight of the Land" is extremley easy to dodge when you know it's coming up, using "Shift+F" for focus target on Titan also helps you notice the cast-bar.

If you're still in the way as the CAST BAR ends then you'll get hit, the graphic you see in-game means nothing.

Understanding what's coming up next and moving preemptively or moving the SPLIT second the cast starts is important.

That has been said every single time this topic is brought up, I know about that and it has nothing to do with cast bars.

You have a third of my ping from Hong Kong, yet I don't struggle? The same was true of many of my Japanese friends during beta, when I was playing from the UK on the Japanese data centre. Almost certainly the quality of your ISP. I gained 130ms moving from the UK to HK, yet the game feels much more responsive and reliable now. I bet if you traceroute, you'll find it's little more than a case of a few dodgy hops.

Friend from Canada, with the lowest ping i have ever seen (less than 30ms) quit this due to lag issues and went back to play BF4, where he has no issues.

I know it's hard to believe how people with lower latency than you are having so many problems, but it happens and it only happens in this game, why only this game?

Mechanics in this game are a no-brainer, under no lag issues this game is way way way too easy unless you have slow reflexes, but add lag issues and it becomes a predict or die, not react or die.

EDIT: this is the thread http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...annot-be-fixed

[Mcshiggs]

But I do, and it's not only with dodging, things like using bane or fester right after using a DoT will cause the last DoT to not be spread/not be used for fester, or getting a skill cast interrupted for no reason (actually there is a reason: in the server side you're still casting the skill)

This happens to everyone, if you play summoner any at all, you know to wait a half second after your last dot to Bane or Fester, your dots are on the GCD, aetherflow abilities aren't, so if you hit with one before the GCD of your last dot is finished, that dot won't be applied.

[Shioban]

No, I am talking about the server being fully proprietary, in order to lower the impact of latency is common for a lot of game to let the client predict some movements (with the downside of opening a door to exploits, but this is usually controlled with anti-cheat programs) this game is more strict with how data is handled, what you see on the screen doesn't matter, only what is happening in the server matters. The issue is a bit more complex and it was detailed in another thread, but I can't seem to find it now.

I haven't heard of that in FFXIV before, so I can't comment on it.


There must be another underlying issue with your connection if you simply cannot dodge anything with 80ms, that's extremely bizarre.


The cast bar suggestion was worth a shot seeing as plenty have found it helped in the past, always worth a shot!


As for the Summoner DOT's as the above person said, everyone has that issue, even those living next to the data-centre.

[Alukah]

I didn't say I can't dodge anything, I said I have problems dodging.

I linked the thread that detailed the cause of this issue, you may or not agree with it, but I believe that's the most accurate explanation so far.

As for DoTs, have you wondered why a skill that is labeled as "instant" is not really instant and you have to wait until it takes effect? Or better say, why instant abilities in the GCD are not really instant but those outside the GCD are?

[saeedaisspecial]

But I do, and it's not only with dodging, things like using bane or fester right after using a DoT will cause the last DoT to not be spread/not be used for fester, or getting a skill cast interrupted for no reason (actually there is a reason: in the server side you're still casting the skill)

This is because the effects of an ability are tied to the animation, so the DoT will only become active (And therefore subject to Bane/Fester) once its animation completes. This is a design choice by the devs and not an issue to do with lag or latency at all.
Such a lack of understanding shows you might not know what you're talking about in other areas.

[Kiara1]

This happens to everyone, if you play summoner any at all, you know to wait a half second after your last dot to Bane or Fester, your dots are on the GCD, aetherflow abilities aren't, so if you hit with one before the GCD of your last dot is finished, that dot won't be applied.

Someone said it was my ISP's fault that I had that delay.
What's wrong if it happens to everyone then? I think they should fix stuff like that before giving us new content. I'd rather play a game that isn't broken. And my sister acutally quit the game cause of the 0.5-1 sec delay after every animation.
Is it really supposed to be like that?

[Alukah]

This is because the effects of an ability are tied to the animation, so the DoT will only become active (And therefore subject to Bane/Fester) once its animation completes. This is a design choice by the devs and not an issue to do with lag or latency at all.
Such a lack of understanding shows you might not know what you're talking about in other areas.

"I am right and you're wrong" is all you're saying.

Bane/Fester right as the debuff icon is applied and the game may still fail to register it.

Also buy a dictionary and find the definition of instant.

[Amberyl]

I know it's hard to believe how people with lower latency than you are having so many problems, but it happens and it only happens in this game, why only this game?

Because only this game is housed on Square's Canadian server array, and therefore this is the only game you have experienced playing on this particular network path? Traceroute it. You'll almost certainly find a couple of dodgy hops, probably where it passes through providers that prioritize http traffic over everything else.

Change ISP. As for your friend, you can't be on 30ms and have problems in a game designed for 300ms without their being either a) a problem with your reactions, or b) a problem with your networking.

Stupid question, or at least it should be. You are playing over a hardline connection aren't you? You're not trying to play over wifi or something stupid like that?