BRD has to sing foe and paeon during the fight but even with that our BRD was doing 270 - 300 DPS.
don't forget that BRD benefit from DRG doing piercing debuff.


BRD has to sing foe and paeon during the fight but even with that our BRD was doing 270 - 300 DPS.
don't forget that BRD benefit from DRG doing piercing debuff.


Our Mnk is usually around 400, sometimes more.
Me as DRG, is usually around 360.
(we're both equally geared, around ilv100)
BRD is best geared, and is up there at our dps; his dps drops a bit due to paeon, etc.
extra DRG and BLM, are around 300-350.
So i think your problem is that you got only 4 DD? and all 4 DD are low dps.
As you can see, your dps is around 100-200pts below ours...that's HUGE difference.
Your DDs need to be at least 350. Actually 400+ with only 4 DD.


You need a combined DPS of around 1750 to be able to clear it, and that is going to get close. We do it with two tanks, though, it makes mines much easier to handle.

A bard doing 220 dps in turn8? He is afk or something?
Has he got the accuracy capped? use food and potions?
Has he to manage towers, mines, brainjack?
Maybe he is abusing for Army Paeon/manasong or playing long time.
A trick for bards is use army paeon a few secs, just the exactly moment to do dps and don't be out of tp and the invigorate is up again. One mistake is play Paeon until you get 1000 tp and your invigorate skill is not used
In T8, usually i use Invigorate before the first dreadnough of just after kill him. Depends the procs from straight shot, more procs = more tp used by straight shot.
The second time is before or after the second dread. In this moment, your melees will be out of tp or near, so you can use the song in the same moment the tower spawns and stop playing it when the dread shows up. You will recover around 300 tp and using invigorate you get 400 more, enough to finish the combat with more any tp problem.
The other problem are your healers. They can't oom before the allagan field phase, the bard play one time in all combat manasong is the exactly the moment aoe's towers and allagan field is punishing your raid![]()
You should be on a Overall of >300 on all DPS to avoid enrage...
Our DRG does about 350, not quite Loot Lucky
As i101 BLM i do about 330, next one with 103 does 340...
We do a 1 Tank strategy, my group cleared it on Mondays in a night session where i was asleep already, but they did it with 1-2 deaths...
i would say (math aside) - if you dont do an average of 300+ dps, this wont work for you...
220 as bard is not acceptable on this stage of content...*
*even with paeon - thats 20%... coming back to maths, you expect him around 330 dps, that one will drop to 270 IF HE WOULD PLAY IT THE WHOLE TIME...
Last edited by wicked-one; 07-02-2014 at 03:36 PM.
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Quoting since you seem to have a duplicateEveryone is under performing even with i95 weapons.
Your MNK with i100 should be 380 at least, assuming that your MNK have no duty which is most of the case (at most eat some mines or emergency tower activation if the original guy assigned has Allagan Field)
DRG with i100 under 300 is pretty much... IDK. At least 50 DPS too low. Your DRG should be comfortably be at 340-350 with some duties, such as homing/brainjack/eating mines.
BRD @ 220 is just LOL. My previous raid WAR who plays BRD in T8 and he haven't been playing BRD since ages so he's pretty much in shitty gear (not full i90) with a Zenith weapon deals about 250-260. Assuming your BRD is properly geared with i95 weapon he should be doing 310-320 range.
Same goes to your SMN. With i95 the average SMN dude should be able to get 330 or so.


Potent poisons is like 1dps, over the course of the fight...that's not gonna help them win the fight![]()

My group starts using poison pots at the 5th tower set to push and get as low as we can before phase 3, and get that extra boost in phase3. It may be a minor amount of dmg, but 8 ppl using 3 pots got us our first clear, 11min 02sec was time elapsed from pull to kill in our clear video, so without that extra few DPS, we wouldnt have cleared it.
Now that everyone knows the fight and DPS isnt indered due to overfocsing on mechanics and we have a bit better gear, we don't need the pots, but some still use just to be safe, a random death may result in a enrage still, and any extra dmg can help ensure it does not happen.
The below numbers are from my own group + ACT parses I've seen on forums. The ilvl listed is just the ilvl of the weapon, not all gear combined.
With ~ilvl100 weapon MNK should be 380-400; ilvl110 weapon should be 400+
DRG ilvl100 340-360; ilvl110 380+
BRD 340-360 (my best when I had ilvl100 weapon was 358 with 3 paeons used throughout the fight); ilvl110 380-390+ depending on songs
SMN I'm not sure.
Your MNK and DRG are not 'terrible,' but they are still somewhat low. Are they hitting towers or something? BRD is ridiculously low. No reason BRD should be below 300. Make sure they are popping their CDs whenever they are up (except Blood for Blood in certain situations).
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