More Raid content please!

[Ransu]

Are you all really arguing over such silly semantics? End game is end game. Who cares what it is called. Swtor raids were called operations and they were all 8m/16m content. FFXIV has coil/trials/CT etc...End game exists. Doesn't have to be called a "raid."

With that said, anything more than 16 people imo is incredibly boring. I prefer to smaller groups with more focused mechanics over the massive groups that just zerg the boss and the only thing different is "bigger health pools" with mechanics that can be largely ignored due to the sheer number of players participating. If you want massive 40 man raids then go play wildstar...but believe it or not, most people dislike those raid types. It's why WoW removed it and its why most new MMO's don't have it. It's just dumb.

[Ehayte]

I like the smaller groups as well...but I HATE....HATE that is MUST BE 8 people.

This is horribly crippling to anyone who has, or has group members who have, variable schedules or unforeseen conflicts or like...friends in real life.

It is exceedingly difficult to make reasonable progress on content when one person having to go to a family barbeque can screw your entire night because the PUG you got was horrible, and then his replacement couldn't cut it either.

7-9 player content or 20-28 player content would be really cool. The advantage to having more people would be that you have an easier time, but less of a chance at loot; vice versa.

For the record I love 40 man raids because you can have 6 people not show up and everything is fine lol.

[Archulak]

For the record I love 40 man raids because you can have 6 people not show up and everything is fine lol.

This is exactly the reason that I dislike large raids, because if there's going to be 6 people worth of dead weight that you can carry through, why would you even bother taking those 6 in the first place.

[Morningstar1337]

This is exactly the reason that I dislike large raids, because if there's going to be 6 people worth of dead weight that you can carry through, why would you even bother taking those 6 in the first place.

Those six wanted twinks?

[Ehayte]

This is exactly the reason that I dislike large raids, because if there's going to be 6 people worth of dead weight that you can carry through, why would you even bother taking those 6 in the first place.

To include a large group of your friends . . .

To play with more people and have a fun time . . .

To allow flexibility and to be inclusive of a community of players . . .

Because you might have 40 people in your FC but some of those people might have other obligations in their lives besides a video game that can't be scheduled precisely . . .

[Jubez187]

More people in raids either: caters to people with big FC's or a static if the mechanics are hard and there's no way 24-40 randoms could coordinate. Or B. caters to people without groups and the mechanics are easy and it's a zerg fest.

[Charisma]

By Yoshida's standards maby, not by the definition of the Genre.

Unfortunately The devs are wrong based off the definition the genre has given it. What they call it is irrelevant. It is what it says when you get a group of 8. "FULL PARTY". A single party is not a raid.

The only raid in XIV is CT1 currently and CT2 to come.

Everything else is party content.

WoW 10 man raid and 25 man raid
FFXIV 8 man raid and 24 man raid

where do you exactly see any problem? its both raids. just because u dont feel it , it doesnt mean its not.

[Dyvid]

Well in 3.xx I would personally like to see at least 3 or 4 unique raid location instead of the 2 we have.

Full Party similar to Coil
Alliance similar to CT
Full Party where the layout is ever changing
Alliance where the group has to break up into smaller teams to reach the end similar to FFVI Kefka Tower.

[yahhzoo]

Coil & CT are raids. There really isn't a point to argue that fact. Party size does not make a raid. I would not mind some more raid content 8 & 24man to mix it up.

[Roth_Trailfinder]

Party size does not make a raid.

QFT. The part prior to that, however ... not so much.

Party SIZE does not make a raid.

Multiple parties is what defines a raid. Two parties, 3 parties, or go EQ and have 12 six person groups for 72 people in all, with instances limited to 54 people.

It does not matter if the party is 5 people, 8 people, 6 people, whatever. One party content is group content.

The same bit of content cannot be both group and raid at the same time. They are mutually exclusive. You can have a raid version of an event (raid content) and a one-group version of the same event (group content) but one group content is not raid content.

I see all sorts of people saying "Coil is raid, SE said so!" as the sole reason why Coil, a one-group and therefore group and not raid piece of content, is raid content.

It does not matter that WoW dropped the number of parties in their raids. They are still more-than-one-party events. In FF14, a full party is eight people. Therefore, to be a raid, more than one group of 8 must be involved, else it is group content, not raid content.