More Raid content please!

[Roth_Trailfinder]

Crystal Tower is not enough!

This shouldn't be the only MMO with NO top-end raid content! CT is designed to be a step below Binding Coil, meaning it is NOT top end!

Binding Coil is just as much a raid as Castrum Meridanum and Praetorium; all three require a mere eight people, *one* full party.

Raid content, by definition, is more than one group. Does not matter how hard the content is, either. A Full Party, by definition, is one group. As a caveat, Binding Coil should not be counted under the Raid category in the DF, either, since it is not a raid.

EDIT - Apparently, I was mistaken to believe that "raid", when taken without respect to any one MMO, actually applies only to multi-group content. This realization has removed any desire I've had to see more actual raids (y'know, events requiring more than just the one 8-man Full Party) in FF14.

What this game needs now is SOLOABLE RAID CONTENT!!!!!!!!!! Raids designed to be solo'd! Since "raid" is on a level different from "group" and "solo" content, any solo or group content can be called a raid as long as the developer says it is!

[Tyrial]

How is it not a Raid? Have you ever actually looked up the definition of a Raid? Let me help you with that...

Full Definition of RAID

1
a : a hostile or predatory incursion
b : a surprise attack by a small force

2
a : a brief foray outside one's usual sphere
b : a sudden invasion by officers of the law
c : a daring operation against a competitor
d : the recruiting of personnel (as faculty, executives, or athletes) from competing organizations

3: the act of mulcting public money

4: an attempt by professional operators to depress stock prices by concerted selling

Took the liberty of putting the relevant bit in bold for you so you couldn't miss it.

[Cyrus-Wallace]

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Well...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raid_(gaming)

A raid is a type of mission in a video game in which a very large number of people (larger than the normal team size set by the game) attempt to defeat a boss monster. This type of objective is most common in MMORPGs, where the servers are designed to handle the number of users. In RTS games like StarCraft, the term is used differently; see Raid (military).

I kinda want more RAID content buuuut... Labyrinth of the Ancients left me a bad taste in my mouth. It would be great to have the option to go with a 24-man pre-made.

[Zarzak]

Crystal Tower is not enough!

This shouldn't be the only MMO with NO top-end raid content! CT is designed to be a step below Binding Coil, meaning it is NOT top end!

Binding Coil is just as much a raid as Castrum Meridanum and Praetorium; all three require a mere eight people, *one* full party.

Raid content, by definition, is more than one group. Does not matter how hard the content is, either. A Full Party, by definition, is one group. As a caveat, Binding Coil should not be counted under the Raid category in the DF, either, since it is not a raid.

Well...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raid_(gaming)



I kinda want more RAID content buuuut... Labyrinth of the Ancients left me a bad taste in my mouth. It would be great to have the option to go with a 24-man pre-made.

100% agree. Before 2.0 release we were told CT would be a real raid. Then they decided it was "too hard" and gave us the /afk fest we see today.

FOUR 10 minute 8 man events is not nearly enough raid content. Personally I'm hanging out until the expansion but if it isn't bumped up to 10+ I'm definitely done. If there aren't LARGER raids I may anyway. I'm tired of having to demand 100% raid attendance from a team to accomplish anything and an 8 man group can't realistically have a 3-4 man bench. That is half a group.

[Morningstar1337]

FOUR 10 minute 8 man events is not nearly enough raid content. Personally I'm hanging out until the expansion but if it isn't bumped up to 10+ I'm definitely done. If there aren't LARGER raids I may anyway. I'm tired of having to demand 100% raid attendance from a team to accomplish anything and an 8 man group can't realistically have a 3-4 man bench. That is half a group.

Ooh an instance with 80+ players? That ought to be interesting

[Kuroyasha]

Ooh an instance with 80+ players? That ought to be interesting

I could be wrong but....I think he means 10+ 8 man events, not an event with 80 players. His following statements imply that he'd like 16 man content ideally, but knows that even wishing for it, it's most likely to remain a wish.

[Tyrial]

And the average team size in this game is 4 players. Anything higher is considered a "Raid".

[Xatsh]

And the average team size in this game is 4 players. Anything higher is considered a "Raid".

By Yoshida's standards maby, not by the definition of the Genre.

Unfortunately The devs are wrong based off the definition the genre has given it. What they call it is irrelevant. It is what it says when you get a group of 8. "FULL PARTY". A single party is not a raid.

The only raid in XIV is CT1 currently and CT2 to come.

Everything else is party content.

[ZephyrAM]

By Yoshida's standards maby, not by the definition of the Genre.

Unfortunately The devs are wrong based off the definition the genre has given it. What they call it is irrelevant. It is what it says when you get a group of 8. "FULL PARTY". A single party is not a raid.

The only raid in XIV is CT1 currently and CT2 to come.

Everything else is party content.

Devs game, Devs rules ^_^

Everyone's all about 'breaking genre standards' until it's done in a way they don't like, then they're all 'but that's not how things are supposed to work'.

Accept each games style. Challenging raids in ARR are 8-man, as intended, with 24-man saved for more a casual experience. So says the devs.

[VesperValveto]

Devs game, Devs rules ^_^

Everyone's all about 'breaking genre standards' until it's done in a way they don't like, then they're all 'but that's not how things are supposed to work'.

Accept each games style. Challenging raids in ARR are 8-man, as intended, with 24-man saved for more a casual experience. So says the devs.

Quoted for truth.