Quote Originally Posted by Tiggy View Post
Of course there are other moments, but those, as you pointed out, tend to be when errors happen and people are trying to repair a bad situation by pushing hard.

Coil 2 however requires this as a course of action where any mistake turns into a wipe with no possibility of fixing the error, and even in cases of no errors your damage may easily be too low to beat the enrage.

I'm sure you can appreciate how different the situations are.
You're just repeating what I said:

Quote Originally Posted by givemeraptors View Post
The bar is set higher to begin with, definitely. But extenuating circumstances can push that bar up in non-coil content as well.
The end result is the same: pushing DPS to the limit. My point was that just because I haven't done Second Coil doesn't mean I haven't ever had to push DPS or wipe.


Quote Originally Posted by Tiggy View Post
T8 would like to have words with you. T8 absolutely requires maximum possible DPS to beat the enrage. If you're not winning because of 100 combined group DPS it can be EXTREMELY difficult to pinpoint who could be pushing 20-30 more or even if one person was 70 lower than normal and it was mostly on them to improve.
And again:

Quote Originally Posted by givemeraptors View Post
The way FFXIV is designed means that almost no encounter
But yeah, I know what an exception is thank you. A massive change like the implementation of parsers shouldn't be weighted by one fight though. Especially when it will affect all DoW/DoM content. I can see especially vicious behavior occurring in low-level dungeons where people are:
1) learning
2) don't care about optimal rotations because it's superfluous.

Quote Originally Posted by Tiggy View Post
Please stop assuming all content is the same. Not all content has echo, and players haven't out geared all that content either. There is absolutely legitimately difficult content where this level of min maxing is 100% required. You're insistence that such content doesn't exist will not magically make the second coil go away.
Don't even know where you get that I think all content has echo. Are fights tightly tuned? Sure. Are they so tuned that a parser is NEEDED? No. Is it worth introducing parsers for the sole purpose of Coil when it will affect far more than just Coil? No. Do people seem to be clearing Coil fine without an official parser? Yes.

I'm not saying everyone is overgeared, but the way the game is structured means that people will usually be over the ilvl requirements for the fight. I'm not saying there isn't difficult content (though I typically find the difficulty of this game to be overexaggerated but that is a different discussion), but I don't think that content requires min/maxing and neither does Yoshi-P:

"Nova Crystallis: What did you think when the Second Coil of Bahamut was cleared in three weeks?

Yoshida: Amazing. We watch and track the progress the whole time, and we saw that out of the whole world three different groups were up there at the top with everyone else floundering on the first levels. Blue Garter got it first, but the others were right after – it was very close. When designing the Binding Coil, we expected that at the third Turn [Turn 8], players would need at least the Soldiery gear to progress. We designed it with a certain DPS requirement in mind, but when those three groups came in and were over that DPS requirement already, that blew us away as we didn’t expect them to get that far. If you look back and think, they were better than the requirement when they got got there..."

If you're not decked out in full soldiery/high allagan then you're not even meeting the minimum requirement and thus yeah, min/maxing will be required. But that's because you're actively pushing the limits. You're going 110%. That is not required. That is not a good reason to introduce a parser.

You say I'm ignoring content? I think you have tunnel vision. Coil is not all people do. Min/maxing is your preference. It is not a requirement. A parser would have consequences that should be considered from all aspects, not just what the raiding crowd desires because it will affect more than just Coil.