I just wanted to point out a double standard...

[Tiggy]

In summary, I generally have no problem spotting the weak links in my group. I don't need a parser to do so. So from my perspective I think it would be rather unnecessary and only exacerbate PF hostility.

Would you like a cookie? Clearly it isn't that easy for everyone else to multitask as well as you. You don't need to dash everyone's opinions to the ground because you're able to do something they can't.

Everyone has different skills and abilities. Try to put yourself in their shoes for a change and try to understand why these features would be useful to them even if they aren't useful to you. You aren't the only one playing the game. A lot of people need to remember that more often.

This isn't necessarily just meant for you. There are a lot of people in this thread that need to try to walk in another man/woman's shoes for a mile.

[givemeraptors]

Would you like a cookie? Clearly it isn't that easy for everyone else to multitask as well as you. You don't need to dash everyone's opinions to the ground because you're able to do something they can't.

Everyone has different skills and abilities. Try to put yourself in their shoes for a change and try to understand why these features would be useful to them even if they aren't useful to you. You aren't the only one playing the game. A lot of people need to remember that more often.

This isn't necessarily just meant for you. There are a lot of people in this thread that need to try to walk in another man/woman's shoes for a mile.

I'm not dashing anyone's opinions. I've barely stated anything about my personal opinion on parsers aside from that final statement (which isn't strongly worded at all). All I've been doing is elaborating that there are other ways to see how someone was performing.

I understand not everyone can multitask. But out of a group of 8 (especially in a progression oriented static) not a single person can be bothered to take note of these things? Healers are already looking at the party list constantly, does it really hurt your performance to glance at the buffs every once in a while as you click on people's names? The whole point is progression and improvement. Isn't everyone supposed to be learning, helping and observing each other anyway? If eight players are that concerned with meeting DPS checks and none can be bothered to look at the party list except to see who died, I think there are other things holding the group back.

[ispano]

I'm not dashing anyone's opinions. I've barely stated anything about my personal opinion on parsers aside from that final statement (which isn't strongly worded at all). All I've been doing is elaborating that there are other ways to see how someone was performing.

I understand not everyone can multitask. But out of a group of 8 (especially in a progression oriented static) not a single person can be bothered to take note of these things? Healers are already looking at the party list constantly, does it really hurt your performance to glance at the buffs every once in a while as you click on people's names? The whole point is progression and improvement. Isn't everyone supposed to be learning, helping and observing each other anyway? If eight players are that concerned with meeting DPS checks and none can be bothered to look at the party list except to see who died, I think there are other things holding the group back.

The thing you're missing is that players can keep these things up like you would expect them to to do good DPS. And then not do good DPS. There are things you cannot see. They might not have enough accuracy, and without inspecting their gear and doing the math, you might not know. They might be pausing longer between each GCD ability than they need to, and that time could only be a fraction of a second. Is Garuda on obey during a single target fight, since her multi hit ability lowers her DPS in that case?

I'll be the first to say not to harass someone. But they are part of the group, they need to be held accountable for their role in the group, just like the rest of us.

[Dwill]

The thing you're missing is that players can keep these things up like you would expect them to to do good DPS. And then not do good DPS. There are things you cannot see. They might not have enough accuracy, and without inspecting their gear and doing the math, you might not know. They might be pausing longer between each GCD ability than they need to, and that time could only be a fraction of a second. Is Garuda on obey during a single target fight, since her multi hit ability lowers her DPS in that case?

I'll be the first to say not to harass someone. But they are part of the group, they need to be held accountable for their role in the group, just like the rest of us.

Exactly. Nearly every other MMO out there gives you or let's you measure your group's overall DPS.The "People might be harassed once every blue moon" is totally not a valid reason to prevent the pros of having a legit parser or SE's stance to change on 3rd party parser.

[Wobi]

"People might be harassed once every blue moon" is totally not a valid reason to prevent the pros of having a legit parser or SE's stance to change on 3rd party parser.

Are you new to the MMO community? There is no might be, it's will be and it will be frequent. I've seen it plenty of times before SE officially gave word about parsers, early on people were verbally abusing other players right and left without abandon.

However, while I've never been on the receiving end of this abuse I hate to see it happen. People forget we are playing a game and let their emotions get the better of them.

[Althea]

Are you new to the MMO community? There is no might be, it's will be and it will be frequent. I've seen it plenty of times before SE officially gave word about parsers, early on people were verbally abusing other players right and left without abandon.

However, while I've never been on the receiving end of this abuse I hate to see it happen. People forget we are playing a game and let their emotions get the better of them.

It's funny you say that. I play WoW where everyone has a meter, and I see less elitism overall there than I do here.

[Wobi]

It's funny you say that. I play WoW where everyone has a meter, and I see less elitism overall there than I do here.

So if the FFXIV community has already proven themselves incapable of properly using 3rd party DPS meters why are we promoting them again? I'm all for helping out my fellow player play better but I've never seen them used to positive effect. Just gives the vitriolic players in the community more ammo at their disposal.