atma drop rates

[Gamma621]

What preaching, what hearsay, what promises? In what context?

Fine, I'll answer your demands first, as an act of good faith that you will respond in kind.

Demonstrating my Atma count is simple.

12- Curtana Animus, Holy Shield Animus
24- Thyrus Atma
36- Omnilex Atma
48- Veil of Wiyu Atma
60 - Undeclared set
72 - Undeclared set #2
84 - Undeclared set #3
91 - Undeclared partial set (7/12)

As for How many fates I have done, I have already achieved 3000 fates achievement, as seen in lodestone. So my persistence is neither applicable nor relevant.

In contrast, you have left your profile achievements hidden to hide what you have truly done in FFXIV, but no matter.

So! I shared with you what evidence I have And I feel that my response was quite thorough. Are you prepared yet to share your evidence about said majority of players?

Hint: No forum posts thus far have what you are looking for, as it is not truly representative of the FFXIV playerbase. Merely the most vocal.

Asking me for data and then forbidding me from using the only data I have available...that's very convenient for you. Regardless, I'm not going to wade through the entire internet and tally up every negative forum post that I can find about atma farming, just to have you dismiss it anyways.

Also accusing me of hiding my achievements, when the fact is I never bothered to set up my Lodestone profile in the first place. I have now opened my achievements to the public, so go ahead and dig through them to your heart's content and see exactly what I've been hiding.

Thank you for providing evidence of your acquired atma stones, but yet still brushing off my request for evidence of how long it took you to obtain them. Now, in an attempt to be as thorough as you think your response of 2 pictures and accusations was, I will try to extrapolate my own evidence based on what little data I have to work with.

I took the liberty of looking over your Lodestone profile after you mentioned it, and as you said, you unlocked the "Successfully complete 3,000 FATEs" achievement on 05/19/2014. You also unlocked the "Successfully complete 1,000 FATEs" achievement on 04/26/2014. Since it does not tell me at what time of day these achievements were unlocked, this could be between 22 and 24 days to complete 2,000 FATEs. (I will use 23 days as an average.)

2,000 FATEs/23 days=86.956522 FATEs per day (I will round to 87 to make the math easier.)

Now, depending on the size of the map, Type of FATE, transit time, and respawn timers of the FATEs, let's say you could successfully complete a FATE every 5 minutes. That means you would be able to complete 12 FATEs every hour. It would take you approximately 7.25 hours of FATE grinding every day to achieve this. Not allowing for any breaks during the farming session of course.

Between your latest achievement on 05/19/2014, and present day, (~24 days) you could have easily done another 2,000 FATEs, if not more, since you clearly have been farming atmas.

Also the time between your achievement on 04/26/2014, and the day atma was released, you completed anywhere between 1, or 700 FATEs since your "Successfully complete 300 FATEs" achievement was completed prior to release of atma. So I will again have to take the average of 350 FATEs for those days.

Estimated 4,350 FATEs/91 atma=average of 47.8021 FATEs/per atma drop
This equates to 3.98 hours of farming, again assuming 1 FATE is completed every 5 minutes, and no breaks are taken. (And I think I'm being pretty generous with the 5 minutes.)

It has been approximately 77 days since atma was integrated. Let's take the time required to obtain all of your atmas, and spread them evenly over those days.

91 atma/77 days=1.1818 atma/day multiplied by 3.98 hours/atma=4.7 hours per day of farming.

Think about this number for a second. A person would have to spend an average of 4.7 hours farming FATEs EVERY DAY SINCE RELEASE and still would not have a complete weapon set.

Now let's look at your case. Considering you barely farmed FATEs at all for the entire first month, this means you farmed OVER 7 HOURS EVERY SINGLE DAY to get where you are right now, and you're still not even done. And this does not even include the absurd amount of myths tomes required after getting every atma, which will also need to be farmed.

Furthermore, this data only applies to you since the RNG makes all of it not applicable for every other player on the game. So tell me again how, in the best case scenario, farming for 5 hours every day for over 3 months to get every weapon is an acceptable system.

In conclusion, the only thing we've proven here today is that you clearly have no life, and only farm atma so you can brag about having the most and feel like you accomplished something, when you've really accomplished nothing.

Was that response thorough enough for you?

[dthmchnek]

Wanna try that again? Complaining about people who don't appreciate a game sounds like you do, in fact, care about it. And your entire argument is based around telling Square Enix that everything is perfect, since you're determined to defend this broken system.

No, you're a sheep because you want everyone to appreciate work, even when the work is bad. That's the definition of a fanboy. Blindly liking anything put out by Square Enix just because of who they are. If they put out a game, or a feature in a game that is disliked, they should be called out on it. Not just given a pass so they can keep repeating the mistake.

Okay... let me try this again, These(as in every developer out there including Square Enix, yes) are putting so much work(The amount of people that they need to hire and the teams put together incredibly outweighs what they needed in the past), art(The equipment needed to make the art, the computer hardware needed to produce the level design, character design, etc.) design(The planning, meetings on how things will work, how much crap they do scrap because they dont think its a good idea). It needs to cost more because of those reasons, I think. And people lose their crap when something doesn't go their way when its just a video game, and complain about it. I despise FFXIII, but others do enjoy the hell out of it, Do I go around belittling them because they like something that I do not like? Nope...

I never said the system was good and fun, I just do not have a problem with it.
I never said to "deal with it", but I am saying that you are just making this game out to be about "Work" because your complaining about it and you think you "have" to do atma farming, like SE is forcing you to do it.

I have expressed no fanboyism here... you are just making me out to be one because i just don't have a problem with the atma system... which is blasphemy, I get it... I will agree to disagree.

[DarkLordCthulhu]

The players that defend the current state of obtaining atmas are the ones that got lucky and found them in a reasonable amount of time. Theyre going to respond with "QQ and put in the time if you want your atma." Thats the issue tho. Most of us have put in the time, some even more time than those who already finished that part of the quest, and have nothing to show for it. You cant just say "put in the time" cause there is NO GUARANTEE that even if you put in the time you will get the atmas. How is it okay for someone to find 12 atma pieces in say 400 FATE while others are at 800+ and yet to even be half way done with the quest? Explain to me how this is type of system is ok.

And dont tell me well theres other weapons you could get. Yes there is, but the relic/zodiac weapon updates are going to keep coming. A large majority of the community is paying for content (Animus/Novus) that SE is keeping us from enjoying by implementing a stupid RNG element to the atma stage.

No i dont want the relic upgrade to be handed to me. No I dont mind a grind. I want to work for my upgrade. Yesterday I FATE grinded for 4 hours after my daily roulette and have nothing to show for it. While a PLD that join my FATE party received his atma after 15 minutes of joining. How is something like that ok?

Some of yall need to get off your high horse and see how truly broken this system is.

[Duuude007]

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You or I could have farmed 1, maybe even 2 Atma, in the time it took you to formulate this argument. Well done.

Its like this:

in 2000 fates, you have this many Atma (grabs 65 straws) So, to get this many more, (grabs 26 more straws) and put them together...

Yeah, it seems I am grasping at a lot of straws here.

[Gamma621]

Okay... let me try this again, These(as in every developer out there including Square Enix, yes) are putting so much work(The amount of people that they need to hire and the teams put together incredibly outweighs what they needed in the past), art(The equipment needed to make the art, the computer hardware needed to produce the level design, character design, etc.) design(The planning, meetings on how things will work, how much crap they do scrap because they dont think its a good idea). It needs to cost more because of those reasons, I think. And people lose their crap when something doesn't go their way when its just a video game, and complain about it.

Duke Nukem Forever must be your favorite game of all time, cause they spent 15 years of work on that, and look how great that game is.


No Man's Sky was created by a team of less than 10 people, and it already looks better than most big budget, mainstream developer games. So tell me again how you need so many people and a huge budget to make a game worth appreciating.

I despise FFXIII, but others do enjoy the hell out of it, Do I go around belittling them because they like something that I do not like? Nope...

You're belittling people right now for not liking the atma system.

I never said the system was good and fun, I just do not have a problem with it.
I never said to "deal with it", but I am saying that you are just making this game out to be about "Work" because your complaining about it and you think you "have" to do atma farming, like SE is forcing you to do it.

And the backpedaling continues. Maybe I can get you to actually admit that you don't like the atma system if I go long enough.

I have expressed no fanboyism here... you are just making me out to be one because i just don't have a problem with the atma system... which is blasphemy, I get it... I will agree to disagree.

The very fact that you feel the need the defend a system that you claim not to like just screams fanboy. There's literally no other reason for you to be responding in these threads otherwise.

You or I could have farmed 1, maybe even 2 Atma, in the time it took you to formulate this argument. Well done.

Its like this:

Oh look! You dismissed my data because you have no argument for it, just like I knew you would. And it took me less than 30 minutes to look through your achievement list and do some basic math. I could have done that 7 more times before getting a single atma. (Actually more like 17 more times since I've already farmed for 9 hours without a drop.)

You asked me for data, I gave it. I even used your own personal experience as an example. Yet you still have no response disproving my numbers, in fact you've basically confirmed them by not even denying how much you time you spent farming.

So I thank you in your assistance in proving how broken this system is.

[Teuciont]

Not challenging, not fun. No way to circumvent RNG like you could with Hamlet in 1.0. Relic was the perfect chanced to give people something to do with their FC outside of four weekly locked boss fights. No one in my FC wants to even do Atma, which is a real shame because Animus is a great chance to allow for some off hours content and FC bonding on a smaller scale.

[Duuude007]

You asked me for data, I deflected by attacking your data.

I know you did. This is why my response was not grateful, because it wasn't even what I had asked for, far from it.

And so, said "majority" claims remain a claim of yours, hearsay if you will, without sufficient supporting data.

You know, the one thing I requested in the first place.

[Gamma621]

I know you did. This is why my response was not grateful, because it wasn't even what I had asked for, far from it.

And so, said "majority" claims remain a claim of yours, hearsay if you will, without sufficient supporting data.

You know, the one thing I requested in the first place.

Then why shouldn't I ask you for data to the contrary? Give me proof that the majority DOES approve of atma farming? You are making these claims just as I am. We both know that it is a ridiculous request that neither of us could complete, and you're just using it as a stall tactic because you have no argument.

And you still have not even answered MY original question, how many FATEs it required to gain 91 atma. It should not be a hard question, I figured it out for you in less than 30 minutes. And you still refuse to answer because you don't want people to know how many hours you've actually wasted on this feature.

And I still have not heard one valid example as to why this atma system is good, and should be kept. All I've heard from the defenders is to stop complaining, without a single reason why we should.

[Cynfael]

The Atma system is poorly implemented as it stands. The very low drop rate makes it an RNG nightmare for some players.

As an example, I got 12 Atmas in about 700 FATEs. My friend has now completed nearly 900 FATEs and has been stuck at 7 Atmas since FATE #400 or so. It's tremendously bad luck, but there should be a sort of failsafe or alternative system that helps curtail outliers like that. If you've done 900 FATEs trying just to get your Zodiac weapon to the point where you can begin working on the 9 books for Animus, you probably deserve to be able to move on.

The developers are clearly concerned about antagonizing players who recently completed this step, so they won't change it yet, but you can see that they are learning from their mistake with Alexandrite. You can farm FATEs for it, but you can also acquire it in other ways, so you aren't 100% at the mercy of RNG.

[Duuude007]

Then why shouldn't I ask you for data to the contrary? Give me proof that the majority DOES approve of atma farming? You are making these claims just as I am. We both know that it is a ridiculous request that neither of us could complete, and you're just using it as a stall tactic because you have no argument.

I never said I had an argument inferring that the majority of players support OR protest it. To make such a claim would be both dishonest, and unrealistic.

I am merely glad that you finally came around to admitting that to the rest of us, so we can move on.

Oh, and thanks again for further deflection tactics.

Feel free to continue complaining. Frankly its white noise to most supporters, and I couldn't care less. That said, don't be so shocked if supporters decide to fact check lofty claims. Just as you have been attempting to do.

Anyways, as to your other 'farming atmas has no benefit' claim, for one simple example, several people have previously pointed out how much more alive zones are with people actively darting from fate to fate, which also benefits xp grinders at nearly every level, with more people to down xp- & seal-rich fates, in less time.