atma drop rates

[Maero]

Or maybe even make it that atma drops are from enemy/boss Solo players fights. Would be alot more fair then it is now.
Some of us still put in countless hours to get atma while someone can get their full weapon in a day, such a bad design.
Really new content being introduced does not need to always be in fates, be a little more creative SE is all i am saying

[Gamma621]

The amount of people defending this atma system amazes me. Are you seriously saying that 10 hours of grinding for 1 of a 12-piece set to drop is acceptable?

You realize that people have jobs, families, and responsibilities right? Some of us don't have the luxury of playing for 14 hours every day like you. We're lucky to get in 2-3 hours a day. That means that farming a single atma piece can take 3-4 days of NOTHING but FATE grinding. Multiply that by twelve pieces, that's over a month and a half of NOTHING but FATE grinding to get a single weapon. Sounds like so much fun. But then again, games aren't supposed to be fun right? Nope, games are supposed to be about work right? People like you are the reason the game industry sucks today.

Also good thing this game isn't built around using multiple jobs requiring multiple weapons....oh wait. Anybody who mains more than one job, like me, is completely screwed. Just to get a weapon for 1 Healer, 1 DPS, and 1 Tank job could potentially take me until the end of this year.

And this is only the 3rd tier of a 5+ tier weapon that could potentially become one of the most powerful in the game. (Which they basically confirmed at the E3 conference today.)

I'm sorry, but this has nothing to do with skill, or dedication, or some test of will. This is a RANDOM system, that serves as nothing more than a time sink, and a way to keep money flowing in. People claiming they have 80+ atma pieces (without providing any proof and then fabricating statistics to make themselves feel special) need to rethink their life and what they're doing with it.

[dthmchnek]

The amount of people defending this atma system amazes me. Are you seriously saying that 10 hours of grinding for 1 of a 12-piece set to drop is acceptable?

Yes. Its just a videogame, take it with a grain of salt...

You realize that people have jobs, families, and responsibilities right? Some of us don't have the luxury of playing for 14 hours every day like you. We're lucky to get in 2-3 hours a day. That means that farming a single atma piece can take 3-4 days of NOTHING but FATE grinding. Multiply that by twelve pieces, that's over a month and a half of NOTHING but FATE grinding to get a single weapon. Sounds like so much fun. But then again, games aren't supposed to be fun right? Nope, games are supposed to be about work right? People like you are the reason the game industry sucks today.

Yes as do I, but the ones who make it seem like its a "job" are the ones who complain about it... Why? You made the decision to play the game and you can easily make the decision not to if it doesn't meet your expectations... Do you think you should have every say in a game's development because you spend your worthless piece of graphic paper or internet imaginary money on it? If you are upset about this then you make it seem like you do not know what you want and made a bad decision... That is the "problem" with the game industry... These folks are putting so much work, art and design and you still have to pay only 60 dollars and a 12 dollar sub fee... Its always been like this, and it needs to be much more than what it used to be now. Pretty much the industry needs to die because people do not appreciate it anymore and complain instead.

Also good thing this game isn't built around using multiple jobs requiring multiple weapons....oh wait. Anybody who mains more than one job, like me, is completely screwed. Just to get a weapon for 1 Healer, 1 DPS, and 1 Tank job could potentially take me until the end of this year.

And this is only the 3rd tier of a 5+ tier weapon that could potentially become one of the most powerful in the game. (Which they basically confirmed at the E3 conference today.)

I'm sorry, but this has nothing to do with skill, or dedication, or some test of will. This is a RANDOM system, that serves as nothing more than a time sink, and a way to keep money flowing in. People claiming they have 80+ atma pieces (without providing any proof and then fabricating statistics to make themselves feel special) need to rethink their life and what they're doing with it.

You can use your Pseudo-opinions on what the game should and should not be... Its still a personal problem you and most of these folks are having... Again its just a video game not a second job like you are actually making it out to be, take it with a grain of salt and move on.

[Gamma621]

Yes. Its just a videogame, take it with a grain of salt...

Yes, it is a video game. Which by definition means it should be fun. Atma farming is not fun in any sense of the word.

Yes as do I, but the ones who make it seem like its a "job" are the ones who complain about it... Why? You made the decision to play the game and you can easily make the decision not to if it doesn't meet your expectations...

Actually, I can't make the decision not to play since I've already paid my 180-day subscription. A subscription I renewed pretty much right before they implemented Atma farming, back when I was still happy with the game. So I've already paid for at least a few more months. And yes, grinding for 120+ hours for one weapon is a job. A job that we are paying them to do.

Do you think you should have every say in a game's development because you spend your worthless piece of graphic paper or internet imaginary money on it?

Um, yes. They are a business, we are paying consumers. If a majority of the paying consumers are unhappy with a specific part of the service, Square Enix, as a business, is obligated to change it or risk losing said consumers. (Which, if you read these forums, is already happening.) This is how business works. Telling displeased customers to just "Deal with it," is a great way to make this game fail, just like the original version failed.

If you are upset about this then you make it seem like you do not know what you want and made a bad decision... That is the "problem" with the game industry... These folks are putting so much work, art and design and you still have to pay only 60 dollars and a 12 dollar sub fee... Its always been like this, and it needs to be much more than what it used to be now. Pretty much the industry needs to die because people do not appreciate it anymore and complain instead.

lolwat? Are you seriously saying that we should just accept every game as it is and never complain because it's art? How much of a sheep are you? That kind of thinking is what perpetuates the hundreds of mediocre games we constantly get year after year. So thank you for being the perfect example of what's wrong the game industry today.

You can use your Pseudo-opinions on what the game should and should not be... Its still a personal problem you and most of these folks are having... Again its just a video game not a second job like you are actually making it out to be, take it with a grain of salt and move on.

Again, key word you said there is "most." Meaning the majority of players are unhappy with this feature. So since you are the minority here, why don't you go play a different MMO with boring, time sink features, and let us have the game we've been enjoying since it was first released.

[Duuude007]

Yes, it is a video game. Which by definition means it should be fun. Atma farming is not fun in any sense of the word.

I'm so sorry that you have everything you can earn from Moogle, Leviathan, SCOB, and this is all you have to look forward to.

Oh, wait, you haven't?

But I digress...

Me, I like it. And many others have expressed this shared agreement. Sure, some stuff I do not consider fun, but others do. I simply do other stuff and remain content.

Also: If you have something on paper that confirms "majority" or "most" for people who dislike it, fantastic. How about you share it with us.

[dthmchnek]

Yes, it is a video game. Which by definition means it should be fun. Atma farming is not fun in any sense of the word.

That is a personal problem...

Actually, I can't make the decision not to play since I've already paid my 180-day subscription. A subscription I renewed pretty much right before they implemented Atma farming, back when I was still happy with the game. So I've already paid for at least a few more months. And yes, grinding for 120+ hours for one weapon is a job. A job that we are paying them to do.

Bad decision, not anyone else's fault.

Um, yes. They are a business, we are paying consumers. If a majority of the paying consumers are unhappy with a specific part of the service, Square Enix, as a business, is obligated to change it or risk losing said consumers. (Which, if you read these forums, is already happening.) This is how business works. Telling displeased customers to just "Deal with it," is a great way to make this game fail, just like the original version failed.

These forums do not show proof of the majority...

lolwat? Are you seriously saying that we should just accept every game as it is and never complain because it's art? How much of a sheep are you? That kind of thinking is what perpetuates the hundreds of mediocre games we constantly get year after year. So thank you for being the perfect example of what's wrong the game industry today.

Your personal Preference in what a videogame is... Your Personal Preference... This is not a government conspiracy, or a real world problem like your making it out to be, Why am I sheep? I do not understand your logic on this subject...

Again, key word you said there is "most." Meaning the majority of players are unhappy with this feature. So since you are the minority here, why don't you go play a different MMO with boring, time sink features, and let us have the game we've been enjoying since it was first released.

Unless you can pull figures somewhere else, then I will disagree with you.

[Gamma621]

Also: If you have something on paper that confirms "majority" or "most" for people who dislike it, fantastic. How about you share it with us.

It's funny that you ask for something on paper, when everything you've been preaching about atma drop rates has all been based on heresay and promises. Show me proof that you have 80+ atmas. Show me proof of exactly how many FATEs it took you to get those Atmas.

That is a personal problem...

How is that a personal problem? If a game isn't fun, then it's work, which you keep claiming atma farming is not. So just keep throwing random phrases at me instead of actually posing an argument.

Bad decision, not anyone else's fault.

No it wasn't a bad decision. I'm still going to play this game, because I still enjoy everything else about this game. I'm not quitting over this, I'm just trying to point out how stupid and blind you are for defending it, and how stupid Square Enix would be for not changing it.

These forums do not show proof of the majority...

Nope, but they help indicate how the community feels about issues like this, and is one of the few good outlets for people to express their concerns.

Your personal Preference in what a videogame is... Your Personal Preference... This is not a government conspiracy, or a real world problem like your making it out to be, Why am I sheep? I do not understand your logic on this subject...

I never said it was a government conspiracy. It's the downward spiral of the game industry, which I happen to care about, and which you are perpetuating. It's funny how you claim to care about this game, and that it is such a piece of art that it should be appreciated, yet you just blindly follow (Like a sheep since you can't pick up on the analogy) and tell Square Enix that everything is perfect. However, people like me and the others voicing their concerns, are actually attempting to help Square Enix improve their game and keep players coming back. So keep saying that it's fine until Square Enix ruins this game just like they ruined the last one, and nobody is playing anymore. Hope you enjoy farming your atmas on an empty server.

Unless you can pull figures somewhere else, then I will disagree with you.

Unless you can pull figures, then I disagree with you too. You guys are demanding a lot of evidence yet giving none yourself.

[dthmchnek]

How is that a personal problem? If a game isn't fun, then it's work, which you keep claiming atma farming is not. So just keep throwing random phrases at me instead of actually posing an argument.

Its a personal problem because what you find fun and not fun is friggin personal...

No it wasn't a bad decision. I'm still going to play this game, because I still enjoy everything else about this game. I'm not quitting over this, I'm just trying to point out how stupid and blind you are for defending it, and how stupid Square Enix would be for not changing it.

So I am blind because I do not think there is a problem with it, and you are the saving grace of square enix because you dislike it and want it to change. Its also cool to call the game you love so much "stupid".

Nope, but they help indicate how the community feels about issues like this, and is one of the few good outlets for people to express their concerns.

True. Ofcourse you aren't going to see the people who do like it or do not mind it come on the forums though.

I never said it was a government conspiracy. It's the downward spiral of the game industry, which I happen to care about, and which you are perpetuating. It's funny how you claim to care about this game, and that it is such a piece of art that it should be appreciated, yet you just blindly follow (Like a sheep since you can't pick up on the analogy) and tell Square Enix that everything is perfect. However, people like me and the others voicing their concerns, are actually attempting to help Square Enix improve their game and keep players coming back. So keep saying that it's fine until Square Enix ruins this game just like they ruined the last one, and nobody is playing anymore. Hope you enjoy farming your atmas on an empty server.

I never said you said it was a government conspiracy I was just trying to make an analogy to what scale you are trying to make this bit of content in the game be. I also never said that I cared about this game, say that is was "such" a piece of art, and tell Square Enix that everything is perfect... You think the fall of the industry is people making games that you, I say this again... personally dont like, and I am a sheep because I appreciate the work put into a game..., the story, the gameplay, the... whatever... I am beginning to not understand what you are saying any more... ofcourse I got the dumb analogy thats why I gave my analogy about the real world problem and government... never mind... just... I am not fluent in jack ass.

[Gamma621]

Its a personal problem because what you find fun and not fun is friggin personal...

Atma farming is hours upon hours of running between FATEs, requiring no thought whatsoever. However, looking at your replies, I can see why you would find it fun to not use your brain for an extended period of time.

So I am blind because I do not think there is a problem with it, and you are the saving grace of square enix because you dislike it and want it to change. Its also cool to call the game you love so much "stupid"

Giving constructive criticism in an attempt to improve the game =/= acknowledging myself as the saving grace of Square Enix. Also never once did I call this game stupid. I called the atma feature stupid, and I called Square Enix stupid for implementing it. Which, given their recent track record, is a valid statement.

True. Ofcourse you aren't going to see the people who do like it or do not mind it come on the forums though.

Except you apparently.

I never said you said it was a government conspiracy I was just trying to make an analogy to what scale you are trying to make this bit of content in the game be.

People are quitting over this. That kind of makes it a big deal.

I also never said that I cared about this game, say that is was "such" a piece of art, and tell Square Enix that everything is perfect...

These folks are putting so much work, art and design and you still have to pay only 60 dollars and a 12 dollar sub fee... Its always been like this, and it needs to be much more than what it used to be now. Pretty much the industry needs to die because people do not appreciate it anymore and complain instead.

Wanna try that again? Complaining about people who don't appreciate a game sounds like you do, in fact, care about it. And your entire argument is based around telling Square Enix that everything is perfect, since you're determined to defend this broken system.

You think the fall of the industry is people making games that you, I say this again... personally dont like, and I am a sheep because I appreciate the work put into a game..., the story, the gameplay, the... whatever...

No, you're a sheep because you want everyone to appreciate work, even when the work is bad. That's the definition of a fanboy. Blindly liking anything put out by Square Enix just because of who they are. If they put out a game, or a feature in a game that is disliked, they should be called out on it. Not just given a pass so they can keep repeating the mistake.

I am beginning to not understand what you are saying any more... ofcourse I got the dumb analogy thats why I gave my analogy about the real world problem and government...

This is not a government conspiracy, or a real world problem like your making it out to be, Why am I sheep? I do not understand your logic on this subject...

It's sad watching you try and backpedal to save yourself from looking stupid.

never mind... just... I am not fluent in jack ass.

Considering the way you type, it doesn't sound like you're fluent in anything. And through all of your pointless rambling, you've yet to give a single example of why this Atma system is good, and should be kept. All you've said so far is "Deal with it."

[Duuude007]

It's funny that you ask for something on paper, when everything you've been preaching about atma drop rates has all been based on heresay and promises. Show me proof that you have 80+ atmas. Show me proof of exactly how many FATEs it took you to get those Atmas.

What preaching, what hearsay, what promises? In what context?

Fine, I'll answer your demands first, as an act of good faith that you will respond in kind.

Demonstrating my Atma count is simple.

12- Curtana Animus, Holy Shield Animus
24- Thyrus Atma
36- Omnilex Atma
48- Veil of Wiyu Atma
60 - Undeclared set
72 - Undeclared set #2
84 - Undeclared set #3
91 - Undeclared partial set (7/12)

As for How many fates I have done, I have already achieved 3000 fates achievement, as seen in lodestone. So my persistence is neither applicable nor relevant.

In contrast, you have left your profile achievements hidden to hide what you have truly done in FFXIV, but no matter.

So! I shared with you what evidence I have And I feel that my response was quite thorough. Are you prepared yet to share your evidence about said majority of players?

Hint: No forum posts thus far have what you are looking for, as it is not truly representative of the FFXIV playerbase. Merely the most vocal.