atma drop rates

[Gamma621]

Okay... let me try this again, These(as in every developer out there including Square Enix, yes) are putting so much work(The amount of people that they need to hire and the teams put together incredibly outweighs what they needed in the past), art(The equipment needed to make the art, the computer hardware needed to produce the level design, character design, etc.) design(The planning, meetings on how things will work, how much crap they do scrap because they dont think its a good idea). It needs to cost more because of those reasons, I think. And people lose their crap when something doesn't go their way when its just a video game, and complain about it.

Duke Nukem Forever must be your favorite game of all time, cause they spent 15 years of work on that, and look how great that game is.


No Man's Sky was created by a team of less than 10 people, and it already looks better than most big budget, mainstream developer games. So tell me again how you need so many people and a huge budget to make a game worth appreciating.

I despise FFXIII, but others do enjoy the hell out of it, Do I go around belittling them because they like something that I do not like? Nope...

You're belittling people right now for not liking the atma system.

I never said the system was good and fun, I just do not have a problem with it.
I never said to "deal with it", but I am saying that you are just making this game out to be about "Work" because your complaining about it and you think you "have" to do atma farming, like SE is forcing you to do it.

And the backpedaling continues. Maybe I can get you to actually admit that you don't like the atma system if I go long enough.

I have expressed no fanboyism here... you are just making me out to be one because i just don't have a problem with the atma system... which is blasphemy, I get it... I will agree to disagree.

The very fact that you feel the need the defend a system that you claim not to like just screams fanboy. There's literally no other reason for you to be responding in these threads otherwise.

You or I could have farmed 1, maybe even 2 Atma, in the time it took you to formulate this argument. Well done.

Its like this:

Oh look! You dismissed my data because you have no argument for it, just like I knew you would. And it took me less than 30 minutes to look through your achievement list and do some basic math. I could have done that 7 more times before getting a single atma. (Actually more like 17 more times since I've already farmed for 9 hours without a drop.)

You asked me for data, I gave it. I even used your own personal experience as an example. Yet you still have no response disproving my numbers, in fact you've basically confirmed them by not even denying how much you time you spent farming.

So I thank you in your assistance in proving how broken this system is.

[Duuude007]

You asked me for data, I deflected by attacking your data.

I know you did. This is why my response was not grateful, because it wasn't even what I had asked for, far from it.

And so, said "majority" claims remain a claim of yours, hearsay if you will, without sufficient supporting data.

You know, the one thing I requested in the first place.

[Gamma621]

I know you did. This is why my response was not grateful, because it wasn't even what I had asked for, far from it.

And so, said "majority" claims remain a claim of yours, hearsay if you will, without sufficient supporting data.

You know, the one thing I requested in the first place.

Then why shouldn't I ask you for data to the contrary? Give me proof that the majority DOES approve of atma farming? You are making these claims just as I am. We both know that it is a ridiculous request that neither of us could complete, and you're just using it as a stall tactic because you have no argument.

And you still have not even answered MY original question, how many FATEs it required to gain 91 atma. It should not be a hard question, I figured it out for you in less than 30 minutes. And you still refuse to answer because you don't want people to know how many hours you've actually wasted on this feature.

And I still have not heard one valid example as to why this atma system is good, and should be kept. All I've heard from the defenders is to stop complaining, without a single reason why we should.

[Duuude007]

Then why shouldn't I ask you for data to the contrary? Give me proof that the majority DOES approve of atma farming? You are making these claims just as I am. We both know that it is a ridiculous request that neither of us could complete, and you're just using it as a stall tactic because you have no argument.

I never said I had an argument inferring that the majority of players support OR protest it. To make such a claim would be both dishonest, and unrealistic.

I am merely glad that you finally came around to admitting that to the rest of us, so we can move on.

Oh, and thanks again for further deflection tactics.

Feel free to continue complaining. Frankly its white noise to most supporters, and I couldn't care less. That said, don't be so shocked if supporters decide to fact check lofty claims. Just as you have been attempting to do.

Anyways, as to your other 'farming atmas has no benefit' claim, for one simple example, several people have previously pointed out how much more alive zones are with people actively darting from fate to fate, which also benefits xp grinders at nearly every level, with more people to down xp- & seal-rich fates, in less time.

[Gamma621]

I never said I had an argument inferring that the majority of players support OR protest it. To make such a claim would be both dishonest, and unrealistic.

I am merely glad that you finally came around to admitting that to the rest of us, so we can move on.

Man, you guys just love to change your story to save face don't you? You should consider becoming a politician.

Oh, and thanks again for further deflection tactics.

Still haven't answered my original question, and then accuse me of deflection. That's funny.

Feel free to continue complaining. Frankly its white noise to most supporters, and I couldn't care less. That said, don't be so shocked if supporters decide to fact check lofty claims. Just as you have been attempting to do.

Apparently you do care, because you continue to post against any person who dislikes atma. Lying again to save face.

Anyways, as to your other 'farming atmas has no benefit' claim, for one simple example, several people have previously pointed out how much more alive zones are with people actively darting from fate to fate, which also benefits xp grinders at nearly every level, with more people to down xp- & seal-rich fates, in less time.

Except I've also seen several others point out that because there are so many people, they can't even get any credit for the FATEs because all the level 50s are clearing them out too fast. So this does not benefit low level players at all, in fact it's actually hindering them.

[Duuude007]

Except I've also seen several others point out that because there are so many people, they can't even get any credit for the FATEs because all the level synced players are clearing them out too fast. So this means players fighting as the same synced level need to adapt to remain competitive, just like everybody else.

Had to correct that for you.

[Axlle10]

Had to correct that for you.

Except the players who are completing the fates for the first time are usually noobs just learning the game, therefor they have little idea on HOW to adapt. Seriously Duuude, your personal attacks and the attacks of everyone else are turning legitimate claims into screwed up statistics.

The true FACTS of atma is this: It is completely 100% random, some people have to farm for 2 hours and others have to farm for infinity hours. That is the LAW of randomness. it cannot be measured and it cannot be put into a number no matter how many statistics you gather because there will always be people who never get them the same. Your theories hold no weight and your arguments are getting a bit childish at this point with the bolding and bashing. Let people post their statistics and let people rant. It helps some people. But forcing people to defend themselves then just saying NOPE! im right your wrong does not do any good at all to support your claims of atma being OK the way it is.

[Gamma621]

Had to correct that for you.

Hate to beak it to you, but level synced players will always have a stat advantage over normal players. And hey, did you ever think that new players might not even have a mount yet, and can't reach the FATE in time because everyone else moves twice as fast?

Your positive example was that it helps low levels. When low levels say they can't keep up, you basically tell them to "Get good."

Congratulations! You officially don't even know what your own argument is anymore.