NINJA and ROGUE confirmed

[Nalien]

I have been trying to explain this very concept, but at this point the people who are replying to me refused to try and understand this.

I'm really surprised at the "hate" Thief is getting here, I can understand people having concerns about it being added, but quite a few people just seem to out right reject the very concept of it getting added.

I know I keep coming back to Bard, but it's the perfect example. Plenty of people suggest Ranger should come off Archer, when they do people don't claim that "Bard is just Ranger with Songs", or that Archer is already Ranger. They have concerns about how it would be added, usually leading to people suggesting Bard be changed to be more Bard, but they don't out right reject the idea. Rouge, Ninja and Thief is almost exactly the same, with Ninja being close to Bard from what I've read;

Ninjas will incorporate the abilities of rogues and will also have Ninjutsu and hand gestures. The gestures will be combined in different ways and will result in different Ninjutsu abilities.

That makes it sound like Ninja will have a deceptively large number of Job abilities, just like Summoner and Scholar. Rather than them being tied to pets though, they'll be through combinations. That's the sort of thing they should have done with Bard to give it more than three bloody songs (how am I still mad about that?). It allows the Job to be very distinctive from the Class.

That alone can make Ninja feel very distinct from Rouge, and thus Thief which would just be the natural progression of Rouge, just like Ranger would be the natural progression of Archer.

I think nin will share with mnk. Nin could be str and if SE adds thief to rogue then thf could be dex(brd) D;

I'd hope Ninja has something similar to Clerics Stance; converts STR into INT. The Rouge/Melee moves use STR, when you want to throw down some Ninjutsu, you switch your STR to INT.