NINJA and ROGUE confirmed

[Reynhart]

Indeed, we're back...because nothing that people asked is denied to them except for the name.

In fact, that's strange...people complain because they want iconic Thief skills although we don't even know what skills the Rogue will have

[Erudain]

All this discussion reminds me a South Park chapter...

Cartman's mon: ohh look Toshiba handibook, same hardware and does everything the Ipad does, but half the price...
Cartman: yes, but it's not an Ipad...

So I guess Rogue could be a thief clone, have all it's traditional skills/traits, be played like a thief always was played....then you get a soulstone for ninja (like you know, ninja being an advanced class for thief in lots of FF games), still has all the thief traditional skills/traits, still hold the same thief playstyle....but is not called "thief"....the horror....

If it moves like a duck, acts like a duck, quacks like a duck....then is a duck even if I dress it up like a cat...

[Bigpurpleharness]

Indeed, we're back...because nothing that people asked is denied to them except for the name.

In fact, that's strange...people complain because they want iconic Thief skills although we don't even know what skills the Rogue will have

Oh, cool, I stand corrected then. I didn't realize we would be able to play it at 50 without hindering ourselves with lower stats. I didn't know it had the iconic thief abilities. I didn't realize it was going to have quests all the way 50.

All this discussion reminds me a South Park chapter...

Cartman's mon: ohh look Toshiba handibook, same hardware and does everything the Ipad does, but half the price...
Cartman: yes, but it's not an Ipad...

So I guess Rogue could be a thief clone, have all it's traditional skills/traits, be played like a thief always was played....then you get a soulstone for ninja (like you know, ninja being an advanced class for thief in lots of FF games), still has all the thief traditional skills/traits, still hold the same thief playstyle....but is not called "thief"....the horror....

If it moves like a duck, acts like a duck, quacks like a duck....then is a duck even if I dress it up like a cat...

You two seriously must just be trying to argue. There is no way anyone can say a class that's going to have to use ninjutsu is going to play as a thief. It's not as simple as, "Just glamour your ninja". Hell, why do we need Ninja if we're doing that? Monks can increase your movement speed just make it look like a ninja. Dragoons can jump, just do that.

[Reynhart]

I didn't realize we would be able to play it at 50 without hindering ourselves with lower stats.

A DPS soulcrystal that will hinder stats on a DPS class ?! You fear to be cripled with less Mind ?

I didn't know it had the iconic thief abilities.

In fact yes, neither of us do know exactly, except that Yoshi said "It's like a Thief"

I didn't realize it was going to have quests all the way 50.

You're right, jobs have waaaayyyyy more lore quests than class...well, only one more, actually

There is no way anyone can say a class that's going to have to use ninjutsu is going to play as a thief.

There is a no way a job that uses 75% of the equivalent of Thief can play as a Thief ?

Like there's no way a Bard can play as an Archer because he has 3 songs ?

[Reynhart]

Lucky for us this forum wasn't created since the beginning of Final Fantasy, or we'd still be debating over "Fighter vs Warrior", "Knight vs Paladin", "Black Belt vs Monk", "Priest vs White Mage" and "Wizard vs Black Mage"...

[LoLo]

At this point I don't even know why there is still a discussion here because people keep entertaining trolls.

You have one person who said they are being bias again a Thief job in this game.

Then you have another person who posts 5 + times on each page and repeats the same tired arguments twice a page.

Why are you still trying to communicate with them?

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Lets get back to what is important, requesting for the class Rogue to be changed into Thief. It doesn't affect the Ninja job if this happened, and DD ques will be just like they were when SMN was first introduced. For a few weeks there is a lot of traffic but later down the road everything evens out. There is no reason not to include Thief and I feel that Yoshi is not standing by his word of bring iconic jobs by saying Rogue class is this games version of Thief in the Final Fantasy series.

[Jandor]

Why do jobs have to be massively different anyway, what's wrong with 2 flavours of the same thing? If classes and jobs were slapped onto a sphere grid or skill tree or something I bet no one would have any issue with jobs just being minor variations.


Also, 5 skills seems like the ideal amount for giving a DPS class a support sub-role.

[Derekloffin]

I really don't know why people seem to be stuck on the 5 skill thing. Guys, we're not going to be stuck at level 50 forever here. We are going to get cap raise, and with cap raises we'll get even more abilities. Keeping the current progression, we'll likely get 7 with the next cap raise (which will likely be level 60). If we go to FFXI's long term cap of 75 that is 10 abilities. Yes, it is hard to differentiate two jobs from the same class right now, but a cap raise or two and it will become considerably easier.

We probably won't see THF in the short term, but in the future I think it is a strong possibility, if for no other reason than there is plenty of demand, and there is little other that would fit for Rogue as an alternate job.

[Reynhart]

I really don't know why people seem to be stuck on the 5 skill thing. Guys, we're not going to be stuck at level 50 forever here. We are going to get cap raise, and with cap raises we'll get even more abilities.

We'll get new abilities for classes too, not tied to the job lore.

[Hollow_Tears]

Did I miss some info somewhere where did/does it show scout or does scout mean rogue and no I did not read much of the previous posts.