Dragoons need to be buffed...

[Lemon8or]

Yeah ok, tell that to the vast majority of players that aren't able to refresh HT when circle of flames is on, just because they are like 1 second late and are just screwed with the hitbox.

Didn't say it was hard, its just way harder than redoin a flank attack / dragon kick on a monk simply because well the hitbox in their case is WAY larger for the effect to be applied which is clearly not the case for us

Do you have specific numbers or did you make that up? If you tank Melusine at the edge of the arena, she'll always turn her back to the tank for both Circles of Flames which allows you enough time to get Heavy Thrust or Impulse Drive in. Also, for monk, the effect comes from the form. The potency is affected by positionals. I would know if I hit from the flank or not by knowing exactly how much damage I should be doing on that attack (100 vs 150 potency, pretty easy to tell). Your flank is the same as my flank.

[whiskeybravo]

I don't think the severity over a protracted fight was ever the point of contention. At least, that's not anything I've discussed

My bad, I didn't see your posts in the earlier pages regarding mandatory positionals. My reply was in context to the "huge damage loss".. I don't believe it's such a huge loss unless it's a constant occurrence, or affects completion of a specific burst damage mechanic. I don't have much to comment on regarding positionals, obviously you must hit them on both dragoon and monk for max dps, monks just have a little more flexibility which is balanced by the penalty of occasionally losing GL stacks.

[BlackThought]

My bad, I didn't see your posts in the earlier pages regarding mandatory positionals. My reply was in context to the "huge damage loss".. I don't believe it's such a huge loss unless it's a constant occurrence, or affects completion of a specific burst damage mechanic. I don't have much to comment on regarding positionals, obviously you must hit them on both dragoon and monk for max dps, monks just have a little more flexibility which is balanced by the penalty of occasionally losing GL stacks.

I did use the word 'ton' so that's fair. I really don't want to make a mountain out of a molehill but yeaaaaaaahhh. /dons sunglasses.

[RinchanNau]

So. When I first made the comment about mandatory positional attacks on DRG and how I find them kind of annoying I wasn't expecting a debate on DRG vs MNK positionals that goes on for quite a few pages.

[BlackThought]

So. When I first made the comment about mandatory positional attacks on DRG and how I find them kind of annoying I wasn't expecting a debate on DRG vs MNK positionals that goes on for quite a few pages.

It's not the first. Won't be the last. lol

[whiskeybravo]

I did use the word 'ton' so that's fair. I really don't want to make a mountain out of a molehill but yeaaaaaaahhh. /dons sunglasses.

I don't either

@ Rinchaun - I find it annoying no doubt.. Nothing makes you feel like more a noob than trying 3 or 4 times to get a HT or ID to register.. In my opinon, which shouldn't count for much since I'm only lv21 pugilist, monk only appears to be more forgiving. The potency of their attacks without buffs/debuffs/positionals is ridiculously low.

[Sygmaelle]

Do you have specific numbers or did you make that up? Your flank is the same as my flank.

Im puggin quite extensively on my scholar (another toon on Odin) and honestly you wouldn't believe it yourself, there is still people not able to buff up properly on Scourges on Twin also, missin something on brayflox 2nd when it turn around, that kind of stuff.

What come naturally for some is not really the case for the majority, is all =) as for the flank, I wanted to mean that you can have the debuff from d kick while not beein not entirely on the flank of your target, but that wont really work for HT unless I'm doin it wrong ^^

[YanderePrincess]

as for the flank, I wanted to mean that you can have the debuff from d kick while not beein not entirely on the flank of your target, but that wont really work for HT unless I'm doin it wrong ^^

You can get the debuff from Dragon Kick without being on the flank -at all- because the debuff isn't tied to flanking -at all.-

[Jollyy5]

I personally don't have issues with the positioning and rotations as a DRG or Monk, as I've played both, but I still prefer playing a DRG.

I just want DRGs to have something like Monks have Mantra and INT debuff, so that they would be generally more appealing.

[Sygmaelle]

You can get the debuff from Dragon Kick without being on the flank -at all- because the debuff isn't tied to flanking -at all.-

See, even worse.