Dragoons need to be buffed...

[Jollyy5]

I personally don't have issues with the positioning and rotations as a DRG or Monk, as I've played both, but I still prefer playing a DRG.

I just want DRGs to have something like Monks have Mantra and INT debuff, so that they would be generally more appealing.

[Exstal]

I personally don't have issues with the positioning and rotations as a DRG or Monk, as I've played both, but I still prefer playing a DRG.

I just want DRGs to have something like Monks have Mantra and INT debuff, so that they would be generally more appealing.

Dropping from the sky isn't appealing enough?

[Jollyy5]

Dropping from the sky isn't appealing enough?

Sure dropping from the sky is cool and all, but Monks having higher DPS (unless the boss is absolute hell for them), and being able to support your group as a whole, makes DRGs seem inferior.

Also, I meant "appealing" as in an addition to a raid team, sure DRGs can have Mantra too, but it's 5% vs. 20%, which seems like a significant difference to me.

If one had to choose between taking equally skilled/geared DRG or Monk, they would be likely to choose a Monk unless there's a Bard or two, as they can potentially deal more damage, and if the fight is not very favourable for Monks which prevents them from reaching their max DPS, they still have 20% Mantra, and 10% INT debuff, which seems quite useful to me, seeing a lot of bosses tend to use magic based attacks, especially for AoE.

So: Monks: Potentially higher DPS, skills to aid the whole group. DRGs: Somewhat better burst, but lower overall DPS, single skill to aid a Bard with just a 10% damage buff.

To me the gap between seems too big.

[YanderePrincess]

Dropping from the sky isn't appealing enough?

That and the sexy armor are -more- than enough for me.

[Empressia]

honestly DRG have the HIGHEST DPS when on full BURST rotation, however due to long cd of said burst full rotation and our so wonderfully coreographed but so pathetically slow telegraphed damage to the enemy, we're simply behind MNKs, so either increase Heavy Thrust damage bonus to 30% (THE EASIEST) or decrease all JUMP abilities cooldown by 50% ( might controvercial due to pvp ) is what we need to be on par with MNKs

[ChaozK]

honestly DRG have the HIGHEST DPS when on full BURST rotation, however due to long cd of said burst full rotation and our so wonderfully coreographed but so pathetically slow telegraphed damage to the enemy, we're simply behind MNKs, so either increase Heavy Thrust damage bonus to 30% (THE EASIEST) or decrease all JUMP abilities cooldown by 50% ( might controvercial due to pvp ) is what we need to be on par with MNKs

30% to heavy thrust would be op, everyone would stack DRGs.
DRGs are in a very healthy spot dps wise at the moment, they are not supposed to be as high as Monk, just as BLMs arent supposed to be as high SMNs (which i see a lot of BLMs asking for but thats a different topic). As you said DRGs have very high burst, why would you ever bring a MNK when their sustained dmg was only the same as DRGs, yet DRGs would burst harder? Burst classes like DRG, BLM and BRD are always supposed to have lower sustained dps then the actual sustained dps classes, MNK and SMN.

Now if one thing might be odd, its that MNK+BRD is apparently better than DRG+BRD, despite the piercing debuff. I think MNK+DRG+BRD, should be preferable over MNK+MNK+BRD.

[Jollyy5]

As you said DRGs have very high burst, why would you ever bring a MNK when their sustained dmg was only the same as DRGs, yet DRGs would burst harder.

They would still probably take a Monk, since from what I've seen, Monks don't lose to DRGs burst wise -that- much, and they still have their useful support skills to consider, and even when burst is needed, it's seldom during a time when Monks have already lost their GL stacks, a good example being Ifrit's nails, or Rafflesia's middle bulbs.

As for the whole "wind up time" thing, it takes DRGs 5 skills to get back into rotation if it's dropped: HT > ID > Dis > CT > Phl, and we are back in the game, buff and DoTs are up again... (Continues on next post -->)

[Sygmaelle]

honestly DRG have the HIGHEST DPS when on full BURST rotation, however due to long cd of said burst full rotation and our so wonderfully coreographed but so pathetically slow telegraphed damage to the enemy, we're simply behind MNKs, so either increase Heavy Thrust damage bonus to 30% (THE EASIEST) or decrease all JUMP abilities cooldown by 50% ( might controvercial due to pvp ) is what we need to be on par with MNKs

But why beein on par with everything ? if we got the hardest hitting burst, which isnt the case at all btw we re absolutely fucked by summoners under doubled requiem foe (still didnt see any drag gettin more than 2.2k full thrust, while im seein summoners reachin that with Fester, np), it doesnt really make sense

[BlackThought]

"Man I sure wish Dragoon had more utility."

"LOL, but you have this awesome completely unrelated aesthetic thing! What more do YOU WANT?!! YARGLE BARLGE."

[Jollyy5]

Meanwhile it takes Monks 9 skills to get back into rotation, which is 4 more than DRGs, but if we take their increasing skill speed into account, I'd assume it would translate into taking 2 skills longer than it does for DRGs, which would roughly translate into 4 seconds, which in my opinion is not that much.

And for the record, if a Monk has to drop their rotation and GL during a fight, most likely DRGs will have to drop the rotation as well, and then both of them need to build up again.

And again, Monks can keep their leading place in DPS race, but I STILL think that their additional support skills put them too far above DRGs, and while the boost to Bard DPS could be counted as DRG's, it might still not be as high as what a Monk can do alone, and even if the damage between DRGs and Monks would be close to equal, Monks STILL have more utility even with a Bard around.