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    Surian Bedivere
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kuwagami View Post
    1) If you thing CoS is laughable, then you're using it wrong. Last time I checked, it was a 250 potency TP-free GCD-free skill. Which is up for every pack if you go the slow way. (250 as in 100 + 5*30 potency. The DoT does count toward your enmity generation)
    Nope, sorry, it is laughable. The skill itself holds no additional enmity generation, even with Shield Oath up, it generates about as much as one or two regular attacks from a Dragoon. If you have a Black Mage with you, it's entirely pointless.

    2) Level cap raise will happen "sooner than expected" iirc, at least at next expansion, but possibly before. That will be the time for more skills for every classes, and possibly the return of some 1.0 skills ^^
    Elemental skills however might never return, as the elemental wheel disappeared.
    It's not so much elemental, it's magic. If one skill reduces magic defense, a skill that deals magic damage can be used on that debuffed monster.
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    Kuwagami Tarynke
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    Quote Originally Posted by Surian View Post
    Nope, sorry, it is laughable. The skill itself holds no additional enmity generation, even with Shield Oath up, it generates about as much as one or two regular attacks from a Dragoon. If you have a Black Mage with you, it's entirely pointless.
    As it's off-GCD, it's all but pointless. That's 250 free hate potency to multiply by shield oath bonus. Or you could see it as 2 regular attack from a dragoon you don't have to tank, while doing free damage on the mobs. Idk. But if you can't see its use, you're missing a very important skill
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    Reynhart Kristensen
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kuwagami View Post
    As it's off-GCD, it's all but pointless. That's 250 free hate potency to multiply by shield oath bonus.
    Well, not really. It's a 30 potency each tick, so for every tick of 30, a DPS can uses one of his WS for much more potency...
    But I think PLD can hold hate well, nevertheless
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    Quote Originally Posted by Surian View Post
    Nope, sorry, it is laughable. The skill itself holds no additional enmity generation, even with Shield Oath up, it generates about as much as one or two regular attacks from a Dragoon. If you have a Black Mage with you, it's entirely pointless.
    FoF > CoS > wait 25 > CoS (+15s DoT) = 1040 free enmity potency over it's duration (40s) to all enemies in the area under Shield Oath. Even for single target, that amount of free enmity potency is hardly laughable simply because it's free.
    CoS > wait 25 > CoS (+15s DoT) = 800 free enmity potency over it's duration (40s) to all enemies in the area under Shield Oath. Again, that amount of free enmity potency is hardly laughable, even for single target, simply because it's free.
    FoF > CoS > wait 25 > CoS > wait 25 > CoS > wait 25 > CoS (+15s DoT) = 1840 free enmity potency over its duration (90s) under Shield Oath. Wait 10s for CoS to come off cooldown, repeat that sequence. That doesn't include the free enmity from Spirits Within.

    tl:dr-Free enmity is never laughable.

    Quote Originally Posted by Reynhart View Post
    Well, not really. It's a 30 potency each tick, so for every tick of 30, a DPS can uses one of his WS for much more potency...
    But I think PLD can hold hate well, nevertheless
    You're forgetting about whatever additional attacks the PLD does within that tick, in addition to that DoT tick. Essentially, the total amount of enmity generated over 25 seconds (CoS cooldown, or about 10 gcds) is what should be calculated. Whatever the PLD does in those 25s should outweigh whatever a DPS does for single target or AoE.
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    Last edited by Pooky_Pasha; 05-28-2014 at 06:13 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pooky_Pasha View Post
    You're forgetting about whatever additional attacks the PLD does within that tick, in addition to that DoT tick. Essentially, the total amount of enmity generated over 25 seconds (CoS cooldown, or about 10 gcds) is what should be calculated. Whatever the PLD does in those 25s should outweigh whatever a DPS does for single target or AoE.
    Apart from CoS, PLD can only WS one target at a time. Against BLM or BRD, who can deal good damage on several targets, I understand how that could be a problem. Or even compared to a WAR spamming Overpower.
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