Gladiator/Paladin Buff !

[Surian]

Right now it's anoying to keep hate on groups of monsters with just flash. The laughable 100 potency Circle of Scorn isn't contributing to our array of AoE skills for hate keeping in even a minor way.

We could use a good amount of FFXIV 1.0 skills reinstated to us, especially:


Circle Slash - Spin your weapon fiercely, dealing slashing damage to nearby targets.

Luminous Spire - Imbue your blade with brilliance, dealing astral damage and reducing the target's magic defense. Blinds other nearby enemies.


But in other quality-of-life improvements, we need the two above as well as:

Red Lotus - Invoke the power of flame and strike, dealing fire damage.

Howling Vortex - Sound a haunting howl with your weapon, dealing slashing damage and temporarily lengthening the target's cast times.

Spinstroke - Feint and then strike, dealing slashing damage to the target. Increases attack power when the target is not engaging you.

Phalanx - Strike from behind the safety of your shield, dealing slashing damage and increasing enmity. Can only be executed following a block.

Still Precision - Steady yourself, increasing accuracy and reducing evasion.

Deflection - Focus on your shield arm, increasing defense against frontal attacks and negating a portion of blocked damage.

and for completionist sake, Onion Cut - Feign weakness and then attack, dealing slashing damage.

[Kitfox]

PLD could use something to spice up their rotation, but an equally geared PLD has no trouble keeping hate against equally geared DPS.

[Kuwagami]

1) If you thing CoS is laughable, then you're using it wrong. Last time I checked, it was a 250 potency TP-free GCD-free skill. Which is up for every pack if you go the slow way. (250 as in 100 + 5*30 potency. The DoT does count toward your enmity generation)

2) Level cap raise will happen "sooner than expected" iirc, at least at next expansion, but possibly before. That will be the time for more skills for every classes, and possibly the return of some 1.0 skills ^^
Elemental skills however might never return, as the elemental wheel disappeared.

All these skills would be much needed, especially since Marauder/Warrior already got a HUGE buff in the past and Gladiator/Paladin were left behind quite a bit...

I must correct you here. MRD/WAR got a buff because they were nowhere near PLD in terms of single target tanking, thus were left behind in 90% of the end-game content in 2.0 due to lack of survivability. PLDs still got a hate generation increase on shield oath to balance AoE hate gen.

Now, both tanks are totally well balanced, and have the same efficiency on everything.

The only difference is that you have to be a good WAR to equal a PLD single tanking, while you have to be a good PLD to equal a WAR AoE tanking

[Surian]

1) If you thing CoS is laughable, then you're using it wrong. Last time I checked, it was a 250 potency TP-free GCD-free skill. Which is up for every pack if you go the slow way. (250 as in 100 + 5*30 potency. The DoT does count toward your enmity generation)

Nope, sorry, it is laughable. The skill itself holds no additional enmity generation, even with Shield Oath up, it generates about as much as one or two regular attacks from a Dragoon. If you have a Black Mage with you, it's entirely pointless.

2) Level cap raise will happen "sooner than expected" iirc, at least at next expansion, but possibly before. That will be the time for more skills for every classes, and possibly the return of some 1.0 skills ^^
Elemental skills however might never return, as the elemental wheel disappeared.

It's not so much elemental, it's magic. If one skill reduces magic defense, a skill that deals magic damage can be used on that debuffed monster.

[Kuwagami]

Nope, sorry, it is laughable. The skill itself holds no additional enmity generation, even with Shield Oath up, it generates about as much as one or two regular attacks from a Dragoon. If you have a Black Mage with you, it's entirely pointless.

As it's off-GCD, it's all but pointless. That's 250 free hate potency to multiply by shield oath bonus. Or you could see it as 2 regular attack from a dragoon you don't have to tank, while doing free damage on the mobs. Idk. But if you can't see its use, you're missing a very important skill

[Reynhart]

As it's off-GCD, it's all but pointless. That's 250 free hate potency to multiply by shield oath bonus.

Well, not really. It's a 30 potency each tick, so for every tick of 30, a DPS can uses one of his WS for much more potency...
But I think PLD can hold hate well, nevertheless

[Pooky_Pasha]

Nope, sorry, it is laughable. The skill itself holds no additional enmity generation, even with Shield Oath up, it generates about as much as one or two regular attacks from a Dragoon. If you have a Black Mage with you, it's entirely pointless.

FoF > CoS > wait 25 > CoS (+15s DoT) = 1040 free enmity potency over it's duration (40s) to all enemies in the area under Shield Oath. Even for single target, that amount of free enmity potency is hardly laughable simply because it's free.
CoS > wait 25 > CoS (+15s DoT) = 800 free enmity potency over it's duration (40s) to all enemies in the area under Shield Oath. Again, that amount of free enmity potency is hardly laughable, even for single target, simply because it's free.
FoF > CoS > wait 25 > CoS > wait 25 > CoS > wait 25 > CoS (+15s DoT) = 1840 free enmity potency over its duration (90s) under Shield Oath. Wait 10s for CoS to come off cooldown, repeat that sequence. That doesn't include the free enmity from Spirits Within.

tl:dr-Free enmity is never laughable.

Well, not really. It's a 30 potency each tick, so for every tick of 30, a DPS can uses one of his WS for much more potency...
But I think PLD can hold hate well, nevertheless

You're forgetting about whatever additional attacks the PLD does within that tick, in addition to that DoT tick. Essentially, the total amount of enmity generated over 25 seconds (CoS cooldown, or about 10 gcds) is what should be calculated. Whatever the PLD does in those 25s should outweigh whatever a DPS does for single target or AoE.

[Reynhart]

You're forgetting about whatever additional attacks the PLD does within that tick, in addition to that DoT tick. Essentially, the total amount of enmity generated over 25 seconds (CoS cooldown, or about 10 gcds) is what should be calculated. Whatever the PLD does in those 25s should outweigh whatever a DPS does for single target or AoE.

Apart from CoS, PLD can only WS one target at a time. Against BLM or BRD, who can deal good damage on several targets, I understand how that could be a problem. Or even compared to a WAR spamming Overpower.

[Surian]

All these skills would be much needed, especially since Marauder/Warrior already got a HUGE buff in the past and Gladiator/Paladin were left behind quite a bit...

Circle Slash would be perfect for AoE attacks to keep hate.
Luminous Spire would be another amazing AoE attack, and if it continues to reduce magic defense...
Red Lotus Blade can make use of that, and deal fire damage on that reduced magic defense.
Howling Vortex could be a nice debuff for us to use, and maybe it can have a bit of range to it?
Spinstroke would be perfect for situations where you're the off-tank and want to deal some damage instead of standing around.
Phalanx can be a nice Enmity Increasing alternative to Shield Swipe.
Still Precision will be great on boss fights where you as the tank cant wear large amounts of Accuracy gear, but still need to hit it.
Deflection and Onion Cut are perhaps two abilities that wont be super needed, but they help.

[Velthice]

I was all with you for giving paladins some more variety and then...

All these skills would be much needed, especially since Marauder/Warrior already got a HUGE buff in the past and Gladiator/Paladin were left behind quite a bit...

Shut up forever.