How to fix Castrum and Praetorium

[LeonBlade]

The problem is if everyone took this advice then there wouldn't be many people helping new players clear this content. The queues would then take forever and newer players would be put off by that instead.

You have to take into account the needs of the roulette player as well as the new player if you want a solution to this problem, demanding the player base becomes more philanthropic simply wont work, that's life.

You would be surprised how many people wouldn't mind.

There is no needs for the roulette player, their whole purpose is to help the new player. Like I said, if you want 80 tomes, then go get it someway else, you're already wasting your time simply by doing the Story Roulette to begin with if time is so important to you in the time it takes to clear this dungeon.

"You need to skip the cutscenes because I don't want to watch them, and if you don't listen to me, then I'm going to leave."

You want to hold these new players hostage for your own means, it's disgusting.

The roulette player doesn't need to be catered to, that's just how it goes. Don't like it, don't join that roulette, plain and simple. Like I said, while they're at it, don't join a low level roulette only to leave because you get a dungeon you don't want. Either way, your time isn't optimized, you're not only wasting the time of the low level players that are doing this to level up or for their first times, but your own in queueing over and over until you get something you're satisfied with along with the completion time of that dungeon.

[Cap75]

The whole purpose is not to "help" new players. The purpose of Roulette was to reduce queue times. That's it. That's all SE said. Please show me a quote that says the purpose is to help new players. SE has already said it's okay to kick someone for not playing at the pace the rest of the party wants to. I wouldn't do that personally, but this whole idea that you're there to hand hold new players through dungeons has gotten out of hand.

[Felessan]

The roulette player doesn't need to be catered to, that's just how it goes. Don't like it, don't join that roulette, plain and simple.

It should be the same for all people, no?
Bitching about watching CS is bad. But now most parties I get into just say "take your time" and run forward, leaving new ppl behind. And forcing people to stand and wait is the same level of bad as forcing ppl skip CS. Don't like being left behind - get yourself premade party that will wait for you.

And honestly, this 80 mytho is my reward for assisting. The job as it is now is to help finish dungeon, not cater to every whim of newbie player.

[Artemiz]

You would be surprised how many people wouldn't mind.

There is no needs for the roulette player, their whole purpose is to help the new player. Like I said, if you want 80 tomes, then go get it someway else, you're already wasting your time simply by doing the Story Roulette to begin with if time is so important to you in the time it takes to clear this dungeon.

"You need to skip the cutscenes because I don't want to watch them, and if you don't listen to me, then I'm going to leave."

You want to hold these new players hostage for your own means, it's disgusting.

The roulette player doesn't need to be catered to, that's just how it goes. Don't like it, don't join that roulette, plain and simple. Like I said, while they're at it, don't join a low level roulette only to leave because you get a dungeon you don't want. Either way, your time isn't optimized, you're not only wasting the time of the low level players that are doing this to level up or for their first times, but your own in queueing over and over until you get something you're satisfied with along with the completion time of that dungeon.

I have no idea where you're getting your generalisations from, I've never once bitched at someone for watching a CS nor do I give new players a hard time. You might be interested to know that this morning on my ilvl 90 SCH I walked 2 fresh tanks through CM, I told them what to do for each boss, where to tank it and how to deal with adds, I talked them through the cannons and sac pulling as well. They seemed very grateful but you seem to suggest I shouldn't use the roulette, strange. If SE wants people like me to do that then an incentive would be a good idea don't you think?

Not all higher level players are assholes, if you could stop generalising for 5 minutes and get off your high horse you might actually see it.

[LeonBlade]

The whole purpose is not to "help" new players. The purpose of Roulette was to reduce queue times. That's it. That's all SE said. Please show me a quote that says the purpose is to help new players. SE has already said it's okay to kick someone for not playing at the pace the rest of the party wants to. I wouldn't do that personally, but this whole idea that you're there to hand hold new players through dungeons has gotten out of hand.

Please explain to me why you would ever need to run either CM or Praetorium after you've cleared it for your first time, especially now as an i90 character. There's no loot, it takes way too long to clear it, and it's not even challenging.

So, please... tell me, why is the Main Scenario Roulette a thing in the game if it offers no benefits to players who have already cleared it for their story?

It should be the same for all people, no?
Don't like being left behind - get yourself premade party that will wait for you.
The job as it is now is to help finish dungeon, not cater to every whim of newbie player.

But why are you bothering to do it to begin with if you don't care about people who want to watch the cutscenes? You are WASTING YOUR TIME doing the Main Scenario Roulette no matter how you look at it.

It's not forcing someone to wait because they don't HAVE to do the roulette. Like I've already said a bunch of times, you could easily spend the 30+ minutes it takes to do these dungeons doing speed runs of Brayflox and have WAY more than 80 tomes.

How difficult is this to understand? Just do your Expert, High Level, and Trial roulettes if you don't want new players... At least in those instances if there are new players, the cutscenes are so small it's not a problem.

Why complain about waiting in a the story instance for new players when you're already wasting 30 minutes of your time to begin with?

I have no idea where you're getting your generalisations from, I've never once bitched at someone for watching a CS nor do I give new players a hard time.

I never accused you of any of this, I'm just saying this is in the same line of logic of the people that want new players to skip cutscenes.

You might be interested to know that this morning on my ilvl 90 SCH I walked 2 fresh tanks through CM, I told them what to do for each boss, where to tank it and how to deal with adds, I talked them through the cannons and sac pulling as well. They seemed very grateful but you seem to suggest I shouldn't use the roulette, strange. If SE wants people like me to do that then an incentive would be a good idea don't you think?

I'm glad to hear that you helped new players. I'm not saying you can't speed run the trash enemies, but don't tell people they need to skip cutscenes if they don't want to. Most of the time, players will skip the cutscenes anyways as guides wrongly tell them they have to in order to complete the dungeon in time, which is bull shit, but regardless...

If a new player wants to skip the cutscenes and watch them later, that's completely fine with me, if someone politely asks if the new player could watch them later to speed up the dungeon and they are okay with it, that's also completely fine. I'm talking about the people who will kick new players for watching cutscenes, or demand players to skip cutscenes because they don't want to sit around and wait because "muh precious 80 myth tomes" are so important over someone wanting to enjoy the game for the first time.

I'm not on some "high horse" as you describe it... My comments are directed towards the players that give grief to new players, not to people like you. I'm a very humble person, I don't mean you or anyone any real disrespect, I understand that you don't want to sit around and wait for cutscenes every single run just to help some players out, but at the same time, I feel it's important to respect these players as well. When the general consensus from the end game community is "fuck you I want tomes", I think you can understand where I'm coming from.

[Velo_Vandore]

I think it's a great suggestion Kyoraki! Wish I could give more than one like! It will be far easier for those wanting a first time story run to gather just 3 more willing players from FC / LS / PF. Content heavy on story / cutscenes is clearly not well suited to 8 man groups or more, because you'll more than likely have conflicting interest issues. Content like ifrit HM is perfect - minimal scenes, no optional area's / mobs, everyone with the same goal to take the boss down as quick as they can.

I'm not saying primals should be the only 8 man content, but that anything designed to be farmed heavily (i.e. on roulette, dropping myth / soldiery) should not be heavy on cutscenes AND require a large party which is difficult for a new player to pre-form.

[Velo_Vandore]

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You're correct but ironically there are players who will avoid speedrunning Brayflox for fear of not being able to do it right, but then will harrass players in CM / Prae for messing up or being slow instead XD

Let's face facts. Your good advice will be ignored, or people will remain unaware that they can get myth faster and easier speedrunning bray. Just nerf CM / Prae to a light party and be done with it.

[LeonBlade]

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That may be true, but I think it's just players really don't want to have to sit around and wait for people to do cutscenes just to help out. Most of these players are completely fine with running the dungeon, but they want to get in and get out as soon as possible to make it as less painful as possible. I completely understand why they feel this way.

The only thing I'm doing is bringing up the purpose of the Main Scenario Roulette, and pointing out how your time is wasted either way, and so if time is a big importance to you, it would be better spent doing something else for tomes.

As for the light party suggestion, I don't think that would really work. You would have to scale the enemies and boss encounters down for it to really work properly. I think just respecting the few players that come along that want to watch cutscenes every few days is enough, as I said in my previous post, most new players already skip the cutscenes anyways in fear of being left behind.

[lackofwords]

It's not forcing someone to wait because they don't HAVE to do the roulette. Like I've already said a bunch of times, you could easily spend the 30+ minutes it takes to do these dungeons doing speed runs of Brayflox and have WAY more than 80 tomes.

Just to give you a different perspective if it wasn't brought up already.
I see myself as more of a casual player now for FFXIV. In the sense of; I don't have the aspiration finish all the new content right away.

My usual day when playing FFXIV:ARR goes like this,

1. Do my Daily quests and roulettes
2. Work on Weekly task, EX clears
3. Participate or help FC members

With roulettes, I try to aim for the role bonus as well. So, usually on Tank or Healer. Occasionally, a DPS role is wanted, and I would grab it right away. It gives me a chance to play my BLM or SMN when I'm sick of tanking and healing.

Of course, I don't really need to do any of the daily quest or roulette, but its become a routine. An easy way to just play a bit, and earn a steady source of income. Even though I don't really spend gil to buy anything anymore. Most of my spending is buying Dark Matter Grade 5 and Venture tokens with GC seals.

Most of time roulette duties aren't actually fun. Some days I just don't want to bother with them at all. However, there are enjoyable moments when something out of the normal occurs. Such as trying to clear a dungeon DPS check with undergeared players, or trying to finish a guildhest with only a bard and myself as a healer. Those, rare moments are actually more fun for me since it's ever so slightly more challenging.

Before roulettes were added, I was sticking to optimizing tome farming. Which meant I only did a few dungeons to cap out and didn't do any Duty Finder dungeons for the rest of the week, unless if it was helping FC members with content clears or leveling up.

I don't try bother to optimize my tome farming anymore, because I just don't care to work on the Atma upgrades at all. I don't even really care for the soldiery weekly cap either. So, usually my myth just caps out and I just end up purchasing crafting materials to sell on the Market Boards.

[Felessan]

You are WASTING YOUR TIME doing the Main Scenario Roulette no matter how you look at it.

Grinding Brayflox in Myth SR parties to get awfull weapon that not even an upgrade (I already have 100 Levi weapon) - is a waste of my mental stamina. It's too grindy and too boring. Doing several rouletes per day brings me enough tomes and it's not so repetitive.
And besides-I don't mind helping others. I will explain and even carry. But *my* help is to help finish dungeon, not babysit those who might have other goals in particular run.

you could easily spend the 30+ minutes it takes to do these dungeons doing speed runs of Brayflox

Not everything is so straightforward as you might think.
I not only can minmax Myth per Second, I also take into account my own fun, laziness and irresponsibility preferencies during play optimization, and diversity is a key here. Getting 100 Mytho per 25 mins isn't that much slower than 100 myths per 12-15 min, and second one *requires* premade party made specifically for Myth farm. In DF you will get the same ~30 mins for 2 run in Brayflox. But running only brayflox is a bit too repetitive.