20% Coil Buff Not Being Implemented???

[KariArisu]

To all the people who are just being all like "if you're having this much trouble with t5 you're not gonna get past t6"

How do you even know they want to move on to t6? You're just being needlessly antagonistic, just like all the people making useless comments like "you're gonna hate Titan EX" to all the people who had trouble getting past Titan HM. How do you know they even gave a rat's ass about Titan EX at the time? I know I certainly didn't. I'd imagine most people just wanted to clear Titan HM for their relics, kinda like how I bet most people just want to clear t5 to get themselves some Allagan weapons.

Because there is nothing to do in this game outside of coil right now.
If you aren't aiming to do Second Coil, what ARE you doing?

[kukurumei]

Because there is nothing to do in this game outside of coil right now.
If you aren't aiming to do Second Coil, what ARE you doing?

That's an elists thing to say. Especially since you are completely 180 degree false. Almost 2/3 of my FC dropped off the face of coil progression in 2.3

Atma
alt gearing in old coil (and the myth spam)
Dailies-soldiery
3star crafting

Pretty much just destory people desire to learn twin. Heck those that beat twin somehow never really even learn t6 and ignore it.

I think the echo should reach the stated amount simply because echo is echo. It helps people catch up. Look at titan ex. People are being left behind on it because everyone who learned titan ex just move on leaving those behind in the dust.

[Sapphic]

I think the echo should reach the stated amount simply because echo is echo. It helps people catch up. Look at titan ex. People are being left behind on it because everyone who learned titan ex just move on leaving those behind in the dust.

20% even 30% isn't going to help those who cant learn mechanics, especially with Titan. Even 100% echo wont save you if you cant dodge landslides.

[Zhi]

20% even 30% isn't going to help those who cant learn mechanics, especially with Titan. Even 100% echo wont save you if you cant dodge landslides.

Actually with 100% if scholar can keep adlo shield up you will take 0 damage and not get knocked back by landslide

[SendohJin]

Actually with 100% if scholar can keep adlo shield up you will take 0 damage and not get knocked back by landslide

how do you know this? 0 damage does not prevent knockback.

[Limecat]

how do you know this? 0 damage does not prevent knockback.

Some(probably all, but I've never paid enough attention or tested it extensively so I can't be sure) attacks with secondary effects won't proc the effect if all the damage is absorbed by Stoneskin and/or SCH shields. An easy example to watch in action are toad licks. Put up SS, let one see you, and the lick won't draw you in if you take 0 damage. A more extreme example is the vulnerability debuff caused by the nodes in Turn 2. SS+shield spam on the tank can completely prevent stacks from building.

[Lemon8or]

how do you know this? 0 damage does not prevent knockback.

I have once had a fresh crit adlo and with Storm's Path + Inner Beast, landslide did no damage to my warrior saving me from sliding off.

[Noahlimits]

how do you know this? 0 damage does not prevent knockback.

As many others have already stated, you are wrong. Preventing damage of knock-back attacks do prevent the knockback.

Examples: Demon Wall, Titan, Ifrit, Ultima

[Iriadysa]

I think the echo should reach the stated amount simply because echo is echo. It helps people catch up. Look at titan ex. People are being left behind on it because everyone who learned titan ex just move on leaving those behind in the dust.

I do Titan Ex when I'm bored, simply because so far it's the fight I enjoy the most. I've seen and helped training groups, DF groups, PF groups with i90 gear requirements claiming to farm, everything.

I can tell you without a shadow of doubt that Echo does not help here. You can either do it or you cannot. All Echo does is allow everyone else that can to carry those who can't.

Titan is pretty much the fight that shows the community's true colors: it's apparent that people prefer gear carried encounters than reaction based encounters. Things where upgrading your weapon or armor will grant you the "strength" to close the gap, where getting a better geared healer will patch your shortcomings as a tank or getting better geared DDs will shadow your lackluster performance.

XIV is a game that has attracted people who love numbers, formulas, parsers and predictable numerical outcomes, even if they don't realize this themselves. Titan is an encounter that cares very little about your numerical outputs (specially now with echo) and focuses on your reaction times, which are abysmal if my experience with multiple PUG groups is to be taken as example.

Twintania is in a similar position, where echo cancels out the tight numerical requirements and ends up showing the inability of the general population of players to deal with reactive mechanics.

The interesting part of all of this is that the reaction times required are really not too tight, at all. All these encounters are predictable: you know when landslide is coming, when bombs are coming, what patters of bombs will appear and in what order. You know when twintania will cast Twisters not because you see the bar but because the thing is literally on a strict timer. You know everything in advance, so you can "prepare to react". It's not twitch reactions what these encounters ask of you, just simply reactions.

how do you know this? 0 damage does not prevent knockback.

It does for the BLM shield. I'm unsure of adloquim/stoneskin soaked damage though.

[Kaisha]

Look at titan ex. People are being left behind on it because everyone who learned titan ex just move on leaving those behind in the dust.

The 'people left behind' can learn the fight and clear it themselves as the rest of us did well before the echo update.