20% Coil Buff Not Being Implemented???

[Noahlimits]

LOL what? All they did was increase time it took for twister to cast. All that changed in the strategy was how you dodged twister, that's it. And if you're talking pre echo, than even more LOL. T7 is called the static killer for a reason. And even T6 is way more difficult than T5 ever was, people just derp and can't dodge dive bombs, or run in a straight line to dodge twisters.

Genuinely curious why you think T7 is a static killer. Enrage timer is almost impossible to reach (unless you had 4+ deaths during the fight), RNG can be gotten around (leaving a renauld up until a new one spawns), and it's a pretty forgiving fight.

T8 is only a tad difficult because of the enrage timer, imho.

[kukurumei]

Genuinely curious why you think T7 is a static killer. Enrage timer is almost impossible to reach (unless you had 4+ deaths during the fight), RNG can be gotten around (leaving a renauld up until a new one spawns), and it's a pretty forgiving fight.

T8 is only a tad difficult because of the enrage timer, imho.

No I would say T7 is harder then twin definitely, T7 is not an easy to manage turn, T6 even with cheat is still somewhat comparable.

The thing is, what we have learned in t5 is prep work for future turns. You can't say algebra is hard after learning geometry, because one builds upon another.

And finally T5 was so not youtubed Mr.happy much like how T9 isn't. Stop using other groups ideas like your own and call it easy.

Everyone was wtf howto beat dive bombs...Till BG went...hey stack on the ditch. everyone went OMFG...now it's standard.

[Noahlimits]

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Where in my post did I say twin was harder than t7? Everything you're saying is putting words into my mouth, and even if I did say those things you can't definitively say I'm wrong; it's my opinion. It is not fact that t5 is harder than t7 or vice versa. And yes, I found t5 (post twister nerf, of course) and t7 not very difficult. And considering I don't like spending 30+ hours wiping while trying to learn the mechanics of a fight, of course I watched a video/read a guide before doing them. If you're saying that suddenly makes a fight ezmode, I'm not even sure what to say.

And personally, I strongly dislike Mr. Happy videos. He makes the fights way more complicated then they really have to be. He should really keep it simple.

[Mergadeth]

Everyone was wtf howto beat dive bombs...Till BG went...hey stack on the ditch. everyone went OMFG...now it's standard.

Curious to know if there was any other intended way to beat the dive bombs or if that ditch method is the ONLY way...

[Noahlimits]

Curious to know if there was any other intended way to beat the dive bombs or if that ditch method is the ONLY way...

If everyone is spread out and runs in the correct direction if targeted it can be avoided. It's just a lot more difficult.

[Kret]

Echo doesn't help you dodge anyways

[Rin_Shu]

Aw man I really wanted higher buffs.

[kukurumei]

Curious to know if there was any other intended way to beat the dive bombs or if that ditch method is the ONLY way...

Back in 2.0....t5 is hush hush, so every group had then own method and didn't spread it like Mr.Happy videos that everyone youtubes.

So we don't know which groups did what method. And probably a wild wild west type strat. But I can tell you in the long twin thread. Ditch method was definitely not known to many statics.

The ditch method was publicly made when BG release their twin kill video.

But the many ways Twin was fought, their tactics and their skills directly apply in other fights.

For one thing... focus target. I know of about 20 times people don't know what focus target is before actually trying to take on twin. T1-T4 does not need focus target on bosses, neither do they need it on anything of the HM stuff and back in 2.0, and only vaguely in extremes.

What's the first thing you learn in t6?

[Cherie]

I disagree that turn 7 is so so hard. It just requires people to pay attention. I have the attention span if a fruit fly and I was able to do it. I rarely if ever turn people into stone.

Yes, it's hard to pug it. But if you don't have a "static" for the hardest coil, you probably aren't going to get far anyway. It just takes one person that isn't willing to listen to how to do the fight to wipe you.

Is it the fact that you can't carry people as easily that makes this fight hard?

We still haven't killed turn 9, and while I'd like to spend more time on it (we only raid 2 days for 2 hours each most weeks), I'm not broken up that we still have farther to go to figure it out. If we killed it already I'd be bored. We aren't hardcore at all. In fact, some weeks we don't even go in the second day.