Dragoons: A Rotation Reborn

[Dervy]

Okay. KittyKY has fixed Ariyala, and it's actually found a set for 493 acc, with more weight than KrystalF's set in OP lol.

http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/MK8H

I'd still go for KrystalF's set however for 2 reasons:

1) The difference between the two sets is 0.094 weight (lol)
2) KrystalF's set has 12 DET, which is basically more RAW damage than the set that Ariyala found.

Edit: Oops.. lol

Not sure what I was thinking.. That is a little strange, I know Spell speed isn't as highly weighted for SMN as BLM, but seems like the Int (from High Allagan) would make a bigger difference

It's the same way how Wolfram Headgear > High Allagan/Astrum Helm for us DRG's. It's also because the SS Weight for a SMN is under 0.1 (it's around 0.094)

[PArcher]

I remember that discussion, it was about Healers (SCH) though I think. Which for SCH SS doesn't really matter since, honestly, SCH can benefit from SS a good amount assuming little DPSing (the negatives of SS for them really only have to do with DPSing, same for SMN). Most SCH just go Crit build and set their role as Adlo-spamming secondary healer and don't main heal (which an SS/Det build SCH would be doing, and can do really well) forcing WHM to pick up their slack when they don't get crits (which is the majority of the time)

For most classes, having both High Allagan and Sol has to be better, just thanks to the 5 primary stat. I mean, look at our ring; 12 DET is what we'd gain from the Weathered Ring, which is more weight than SS...but we lose 5 STR, 7 Acc (which can make or break some builds in and of itself) and 13 SS...which definitely puts it in the negative (12 DET is worth just under 4 STR, and 13 SS is about 2.3 STR)

[PArcher]

Okay. KittyKY has fixed Ariyala, and it's actually found a set for 493 acc, with more weight than KrystalF's set in OP lol.

http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/MK8H

I'd still go for KrystalF's set however for 2 reasons:

1) The difference between the two sets is 0.094 weight (lol)
2) KrystalF's set has 12 DET, which is basically more RAW damage than the set that Ariyala found.

Good...just bought the boots and don't want them to go to waste >.< I'm OK with "wasting" the body and pants for some reason, likely because I'm probably not going to see the body for a loooong time...and I've been using it a lot, so by the time I get it I'll have used it enough that it was "worth" it. Pants a similar reason, though once we clear T8 I can get them at any time too. Likely going to Sand upgrade Feet first (well, after Liberator), then Hands, then figure out what next, if anything (since the BiS build only requires 2 Sands.)

[YounGMessiah]

I need help in figuring out what to get next/aim for with my dragoon all this skill speed is killing me/my tp lol. This is my alt toon and I dont see myself getting into new coil much except for random PFs. I think soon my static might want to use my dragoon for T8 and such, but not certain yet..

What are some good sets I can go for? Is melded crafted gear my only choice now or do I sacrifice secondaries for others?

I guess my biggest step is possibly the wave harpoon, but man I been farming it and I got everything except that lol!

Also my acc is borderline atm I mean I have enough, but anymore swapping I lost a lot unless I go back to the myth helm and/or relic.

http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodest...acter/6292574/

Anyone ? Im so stuck, just considering gearing up my monk now I guess lol

[Riotpersona]

Anyone ? Im so stuck, just considering gearing up my monk now I guess lol

If all you need is accuracy for turn 8, you could try using deviled eggs or getting the ribbon of slaying from Thornmarch EX. However I can't really recommend using an alt for T8, wouldn't you miss out on gear for your main character in that case (assuming you didnt get all your drops already)? Clearing t8 with two tanks isnt TOO hard assuming your DPS and offtank are on the ball for damage.

[Ariyala]

Okay. KittyKY has fixed Ariyala, and it's actually found a set for 493 acc, with more weight than KrystalF's set in OP lol.

Just call me Ariyala or Ari.. KittyKy is just a random reddit name I once chose that I can not edit anymore now '^^ And on a sidenode... "she" not "he"

KrystalF's set has 12 DET, which is basically more RAW damage than the set that Ariyala found.

This makes sense, tho... doesn't that also mean the weightings are a bit off?


But thanks again for telling me about the rounding-issue

Cheers,
Ari

[Dervy]

Just call me Ariyala or Ari.. KittyKy is just a random reddit name I once chose that I can not edit anymore now '^^ And on a sidenode... "she" not "he"


This makes sense, tho... doesn't that also mean the weightings are a bit off?


But thanks again for telling me about the rounding-issue

Cheers,
Ari

Ari it is ^_^

Well, the DPS difference between the two sets is 0.04. There's pretty much 0 difference between the two sets, just an equal trade-off of stats. Technically, the set ffxiv.Ariyala picked out is better on paper with more weight (my own solvers show the same set when I use Lava Toad Legs), but in my own personal preference, the more DET looks more appealing. The weights are 100% correct.

Tomato, Tom-ae-to

[rickyguo]

Ari it is ^_^

Well, the DPS difference between the two sets is 0.04. There's pretty much 0 difference between the two sets, just an equal trade-off of stats. Technically, the set ffxiv.Ariyala picked out is better on paper with more weight (my own solvers show the same set when I use Lava Toad Legs), but in my own personal preference, the more DET looks more appealing. The weights are 100% correct.

Tomato, Tom-ae-to

at that point it'll depend on what drops you get

if I get the high allagan belt and feet before the chest, then I'd probably sands a chest since I used sands on pants and then call it a day.

[Tilgung]

I feel the game rewarded me with putting up with so many idiots who couldn't dodge twisters for the last month and however long it's been since 2.2.

1/1 Allagan Spear. Now to never touch Turn 5 until my FC starts working on it while researching Turn 6 and onwards.

[Vampyren]

Anyone happen to know the materia meld stat caps for the iLv100 PvP gear? Some of the pieces when quint melded have the potential to be BiS in terms of stat weightings.

A few pages back (from page 231 onwards), it was suggested by Augustus that the Wolfram helm quint melded has higher stat weightings than both the High Allagan visor and Astrum helms. But taking Snaketongue helm as an example, it has 3 more STR and 5 more Crit with 21 less Skill Speed. In terms of stat weightings, that's:

3 + (5*0.204) - (21*0.178) = 0.282 stat point weighting in favour of Snaketongue helm non-melded.

Now keep in mind that the PvP set is iLv100 so if the stat caps of materia melds have been raised, you could potential slap more DET onto it compared to the Wolfram helm (Wolfram helm DET caps out on 15).
Now the question is exactly how much materia can you slot into the iLv100 PvP gear? I'm assuming because it already has 23 Crit, that 23 is likely to be the stat cap for Crit, SS and Acc and judging from other pieces 16 looks like the cap for DET. Based on these assumptions, you could potentially slot it one of three ways to maximise stats:

21 STR, 23 Crit, 16 DET, 18 Acc ---------30.892 weighting
21 STR, 23 Crit, 16 DET, 9 SS, 9 Acc ----32.494 weighting
21 STR, 23 Crit, 16 DET, 18 SS ----------34.096 weighting

For reference:
High Allagan, 25 Acc ---------------------27.627 weighting
Astrum, 18 Acc --------------------------28.450 weighting

And that's just for the helm! other pieces such as the hands, feet and belt looks likely to be BiS when quint melded as well.

Keep in mind the above holds true if the assumed materia cap of secondary stats is to be 23/16. If anyone knows the actual cap, please share it with us!