PVP Wintrade Exploitation, is this reportable?

[Snorgrind]

Actually, solo queue (assuming you win) nets you 100% rewards, while grouping only gets you 50%. As with most of XIV (that isn't "hardcore" endgame), Yoshida would rather you play with completely random people for better rewards than enjoy the game with friends.

that only happen in group of 2 or 3, if you join as 4 you have 100%

[Histoire]

that only happen in group of 2 or 3, if you join as 4 you have 100%

not true to an extent. if you join as 4 in a solo queue you will receive 25% of the rewards. you have to use the light party option for the rewards to be 100% as a full party.

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the more i post and read these incessant threads, the more i wonder, how many of you actually do pvp on a daily basis, and how many of you are simply furious that there are venues you simply refuse/aren't using to get the new pretty gear.

no one is begging you to win trade, but you're creating a problem that is easily bypassed with a system most people don't bother to use. you think the win traders are the problem, when the only problem is people like the ones creating this thread.

yes, solo queueing will be largely dead. but at the same time light party queues are simply so much better, that they aren't worth the time. a lot of people have realized this. have you thought beyond win traders as to why your queue is dead?

[Snorgrind]

you cant join solo queue with 4 ppl, it will force you to use light party join

[Histoire]

you cant join solo queue with 4 ppl, it will force you to use light party join

no. you can face 4 man premades in solo queue. one of the many flaws with this system. it does not force you to use the light party queue.

the standard in light party with balanced ranks is 60 exp 100 marks.

exp and marks given are based on your party's total rank vs. the other party's total ranks.

seriously no one in here does pvp very much, none of you seem to know what's going on. XD

just relax and think about light party queues instead of pointing fingers at the people who just grind. win traders aren't the problem here. the people that completely forgot there is another side of pvp are.

now when people are using light party and win traders sit there withdrawing over and over like it's CT trying to line up together, we have an actual problem. and again, it won't be with the people. it's going to be the way pvp is set up. it's just not what it should be, and there's nothing we can do about that.

but i can pretty much tell you, there are 30+ parties in light queue, and most of them never see each other because they know how the matching system works.

same time, it will become a problem later when compacting happens and most parties queueing are around the same rank.

[MakoRaiju]

no. you can face 4 man premades in solo queue. one of the many flaws with this system. it does not force you to use the light party queue.

the standard in light party with balanced ranks is 60 exp 100 marks.

exp and marks given are based on your party's total rank vs. the other party's total ranks.

seriously no one in here does pvp very much, none of you seem to know what's going on. XD

just relax and think about light party queues instead of pointing fingers at the people who just grind. win traders aren't the problem here. the people that completely forgot there is another side of pvp are.

now when people are using light party and win traders sit there withdrawing over and over like it's CT trying to line up together, we have an actual problem. and again, it won't be with the people. it's going to be the way pvp is set up. it's just not what it should be, and there's nothing we can do about that.

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Other side of PvP.. surely you are not talking about what you and Seras is doing is it? Opening a Party Finder group with the title of "4v4 PvP wintrading" to get a number of random players to fill your grps and then queue up at the same time to take turns in killing each other without effort? Last time i checked thats the very definition of wintrading.

Also you are talking about how you can meet premade teams while soloqueueing, that is only possible at the level 30 and 40 queues.

And yes, the problem lies with the wintraders. For one, for every wintrader parties/arrangements beeing set up, 8 possible players ranged from any ranks are taken off the queues, which again makes the solo, duo, and trio queues taking longer and the system starts to mash players with a large rank gap with each other.

2nd. Wintrading is pretty much about giving them the rewards without them working/put an effort in obtaining it. You can compare it with anything that is unjust in this world. For instance, why would another player that dont care about PvP at all gets to wear/glamour the top tiered PvP gear if he didnt put an effort in obtaining it? Doesnt matter if he's never gonna PvP again, the suit is for those who put an effort in obtaining it and is one of the few rewards for doing PvP. Should someone that just got level 50 be given i115 gear from Coil and the weapon from T9 because said person didnt wanna put an effort in beating the bosses? Should a person be given a bonus paycheck because his co-worker did all the extra work while said person just sat at work and barely did his job?

And dotn speak about the 4v4 queues cus most ppl are just withdrawing when they dont meet the team they had an arrangement with, believe me, i tried hunting them down and had a blast just laughing at the withdrawals.

[Nalien]

that only happen in group of 2 or 3, if you join as 4 you have 100%

Last time I joined with four I got 50%. Solo I'd get 60EXP/100Marks approx., light party I got 30/50. Maybe it has something to do with rank difference...