2nd Job Predictions

[Lunavi]

One question though: Why assuming that they will run on different base stats and have different roles? We have only one class that splits into two jobs using that data as premise for how everything will be ruled sounds dumb.

[Kuwagami]

On RDM, they are using mainly rapiers, but can equip some of the great holy swords or a few elemental swords as well, and they are perfectly at ease with staves and rods. (compatibility with cnj AND thm gear).

Also, although their background isn't that much close to conjurer's spirit, they could perfectly come from experiments the thaumaturges would have wanted to conduct on the planet's energy. Thaumaturgy is centered around the destruction and using one's self aether flow to turn their enemies to ashes. If some thaumaturges had decided to investigate and found a way to extract the nature's aether to get more power for themselves, they would have necessarily acquired some knowledge about the conjurer's way, mixing it with their own art to bring an even more powerful use of the aether.

One question though: Why assuming that they will run on different base stats and have different roles? We have only one class that splits into two jobs using that data as premise for how everything will be ruled sounds dumb.

Because the aim of creating new jobs out of existing classes should be to diversify their gameplay. As an example, there is little to no room to create a new healer out of the conjurer, though creating (example) green mage would allow to get a whole new range of buffs as a support job

[Lunavi]

Because the aim of creating new jobs out of existing classes should be to diversify their gameplay. As an example, there is little to no room to create a new healer out of the conjurer, though creating (example) green mage would allow to get a whole new range of buffs as a support job

While I see that part I see no hard time creating a new DPS job out of Bard that works in a different way. What I have a fun time seeing though is SE making a healer out of BLM Blizzhealer will be best healer Make it happen SE!

[Bloodclaw]

RDM isn't iconic to using swords, it's just one of the type of weapons it was capable of wielding. However if Yoshida wished to make RDM wield swords highest chances are it would branch from a new class that fit it's description more than Gladiator. Fencer is an example someone proposed earlier that it could branch from, but then we also must take into account Advanced Jobs, sadly I don't know how they will work, although I can see RDM being an advanced job because they're suppose to be able to use Black and White magic. Although they can still use Black and White magic as a regular job, it might seem gimped depending on the base class.
Edit: The base classes we have now just do not fit Red Mage other than Thaumaturge trait wise.

In Final Fantasy 1 the Red Mage becomes the Red Wizard and could use all weapons. Even as a Red Mage he could use swords and daggers. Do you have examples of red mages not using swords at all?

[Kuwagami]

In Final Fantasy 1 the Red Mage becomes the Red Wizard and could use all weapons. Even as a Red Mage he could use swords and daggers. Do you have examples of red mages not using swords at all?

just quoting her :
"RDM isn't iconic to using swords, it's just one of the type of weapons it was capable of wielding"
Never said that RDM can't use swords. Olus that was right, RDM isn't iconic to using swords. When they're locked into specific weapon types, it's either rapier or staves/rods, with a very few exception (thinking of excalibur in FFXII)

While I see that part I see no hard time creating a new DPS job out of Bard that works in a different way. What I have a fun time seeing though is SE making a healer out of BLM Blizzhealer will be best healer Make it happen SE!

That's because bard is a support ._.
When SE finally release the support role as a distinctive branch, I think bard will be seriously nerfed to become more an utility job than what we have now. And we may see ranger to fill the dps role ^^

[LadyVaJedi]

Red mages are combat mages. They can use swords and rapiers. If we look at their outfit they were fencers in FF 11. And it were the players that made them backline healers.

[Bloodclaw]

just quoting her :
"RDM isn't iconic to using swords, it's just one of the type of weapons it was capable of wielding"
Never said that RDM can't use swords. Olus that was right, RDM isn't iconic to using swords. When they're locked into specific weapon types, it's either rapier or staves/rods, with a very few exception (thinking of excalibur in FFXII)

I made a point that the RDM used swords from day one. You rise a valid point, but I was wondering if someone could bring an example of the job not being able to use a sword to support the argument/point. I gave evidence against said argument, I am looking for evidence for their argument.
P.S. Basically when were they locked into staves/rods.

[Kuwagami]

I made a point that the RDM used swords from day one. You rise a valid point, but I was wondering if someone could bring an example of the job not being able to use a sword to support the argument/point. I gave evidence against said argument, I am looking for evidence for their argument.
P.S. Basically when were they locked into staves/rods.

They are not that much locked into one type of weapon.
Putting it simply, they could use all types of weapon in FF I, III and V.

FFTA locked them with rapiers, which were put aside of the other swords.

FFXII locked them with maces, with the exception of a handful of great holy swords :
Claymore, Defender, Save the Queen, Ultima and Ragnarok.

Most traditionnally (artbooks and stuff) though, they are drawn as rapier/staved wielder.

*eyeroll*

Do a quick search of Red Mage in google images and tell me how many swords you see compared to other weapons.

Red Mage, without a doubt, is a Iconic Sword job. They're entire imagery is based off of Spanish and French fencers and musketeers.

Yes, mechanically, they could equip a great variety of weapons, that's due to being a jack of all trades type. But as an Icon? Sword, specifically the fencing styles.

sure, because everyone know that fan art is the official source of what a red mage is. And even with that, 90% of the drawings/cosplay are FFXI related, so irrelevant as one game can't possibly be enough to justify a trend.
The others are FF1/3/5, where RDM could use any possible weapon, so still irrelevant.
And I could make you notice that a lot of official images/figurines of RDM are using staves or maces

Moreover, although a rapier is a sword, the FF series have always put distinctions in the class of swords. There are longsword, short swords, 2h-swords, greatswords, and rapiers, which cannot be equipped by the same jobs in all games.

Basic jobs have the short swords (squire, rogue), when the knights have access to longswords, paladins wield greatswords, and the fighters/darknights and equivalents have 2H-swords. The red mages got the rapiers in share.

And please don't spread misinformation, musketeers have never used a single sword in their life. They were gun-wielder fighter (using muskets). their outfit inspired RDM's one, but certainly not their way of fighting.

[lololink]

And please don't spread misinformation, musketeers have never used a single sword in their life. They were gun-wielder fighter (using muskets). their outfit inspired RDM's one, but certainly not their way of fighting.

Except that if you ask anyone what a musketeer looks like he will say something like that :


You know the "one for all and all for one" with the swords ?

also in FF3 and 5 they use only swords and what the other mages can use as weapons ( staff and bows ) and in FFTA they use rapier.

[Kuwagami]

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Dumas's writtings may make them use rapiers, but real musketeers didn't use them ^^
But I guess that for some people literature = history, so it might explain the confusion
For people wondering, this is a musketeer :

The sword is only decorative, and used in last resort to defend themselves in close ranged combat.

In that regard, they were similar to the Ottoman janissaries.
Dumas's story is historically irrelevant and was a fiction based on an other book, Memoirs of Mister d'Artagnan, Lieutenant Captain of the first company of the King's Musketeers by Gatien de Courtilz de Sandras.

Since when was there a job system in XII?

http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/F...iac_Job_System
there were 12 jobs there based on zodiac signs :
Aries - White Mage - Focused on Rods and White Magick.
Taurus - Uhlan - Focused on Spears.
Gemini - Machinist - Focused on Guns and Measures.
Cancer - Red Mage - Focused on Maces, and various Magick types, with exclusive access to Arcane Magicks.
Leo - Knight - Focused on Swords and Greatswords.
Virgo - Monk - Focused on Poles and capable of barehanded combat.
Libra - Time Mage - Focused on Crossbows and Time Magicks.
Scorpio - Breaker - Focused on Axes, Hammers and Hand-bombs.
Sagittarius - Archer - Focused on Bows and Technicks.
Capricorn - Black Mage - Focused on Staves and Black Magicks.
Aquarius - Mononofu - Focused on Katana.
Pisces - Shikari - Focused on Daggers and Ninja Swords.