skill-/spellspeed, why is it still here?

[Firepower]

I like skill speed for MNK, once you get 495 you have the 2 second GCD, and at that point you can macro your rotation using the <wait.2>

Also with 2 second GCD it works out you get more attacks in before having to refresh dots, more attacks for Perfect Balance and Internal Release. Because of Bootshine 100% crit rate and Internal Release +30% every min for 15 sec (25% up time) I think if you can get 495 skill speed it works out better than Crit.

I would agree however that anything above 495 is wasted (I currently am a little over but nothing better to replace the gear with yet)

It doesn't affect Auto attack which in MNK's case is a good portion of their DPS and in any prolonged fight you will run out of TP extremely fast. Making it a much weaker stat than determination or critical hit.

Some suggestions of adding extra TP regen would make it more fair in comparison to the other stats for dps atleast. I do wonder in future though if all statistics keep continuing upwards as they do at the moment skill speed and spell speed will hit the point where you are unable to go any faster due to animations of the ability.

[Taban]

Bards just end up going crazy.

As a bard I just had to chime in, Skill Speed is absolutely worthless as a stat for us. Our BIS lists are generally made trying to figure out how we can avoid it completely.

[MurakumoMillennium]

Enough skill speed allows for another "ability" to be used within your rotation without hurting that rotation. Which is a plus for Dragoons.

Uhh, you could have enough skill speed for all of your GDCs to have an instant reset timer and you'd never be able to add another ability to your rotation. Rotation means something, and it doesn't mean slipping in random things here and there (which break said rotation). It's a very bad stat for DRG all around in every way imaginable. Considering most DRGs don't know they have a 15% self damage buff or 2 dots, it doesn't surprise me that some would want to stack a useless stat however.

Monks dots and GL stacks wont fall off as easily either. So it's a constant uptime unless they are made to move away.

If you're refreshing your stacks early, then you were better off with another stat to increase your damage.

[saber_alter]

Enough skill speed allows for another "ability" to be used within your rotation without hurting that rotation. Which is a plus for Dragoons.

dragoons have the same problem with skill-speed as any other physical DPS. i would rather hit harder once per a 2.5 second GCD rotation then have a 2 second GCD rotation and be TP starved halfway through a fight with invigorate on CD (why i don't use fracture). your argument falls flat because less time between GCDs means less openings for a off-gcd skill to be used.

at 2.5 seconds i can fit two non-jump skills, or one jump. if i drop it to two seconds, that probably will drop to a single skill between a GCD.

[Raenryong]

BLM benefit so much from spell speed. Moving now isn't a major loss, you can cast thunder 3 instead of 1 or 2, and doing a triple - quad flare rotation isn't so time consuming that it becomes a loss in dps.

The tier of Thunder you use is determined mostly by your MP entering the umbral phase, not your amount of speed though. Viability of Flare remains constant as speed increases, since all of your skills speed up by the same proportion.

The reason speed is so good on BLM is mainly because the usual king dps secondary stat - DET - is poor on casters due to their high base damages (mainly due to the very high weapon damage). BLM also derives most of its damage from non-DoT on-GCD damage, which speed benefits, and doesn't normally autoattack (which speed does not benefit) - therefore speed benefits the vast majority of BLM damage.

[Gooner_iBluAirJGR]

yeah its sucks , its like they wanted to add haste but didnt want it to be OP , atm is useless for a lot of jobs , wasted stat budget....

Totally agree. I personally think all of the secondary stats are too conservative in what they do but skill speed is the worst of the bunch. It takes a disgusting amount of SS to drop your GCD by a few points.

[Gormogon]

I lol'd at all the replies.

I love my speed but I wont sacrifice it that much.

[Moheeheeko]

Every job avoids it because for every job it means avoiding it is better than having it.

White mages would like a word with you.

[Dhex]

I put enough Skill Speed on in Titan EX for 2.4 GCD on MNK & DRG because of all the dodging. I generally stack Det/Crit on DRG MNK for most other content.

I don't have my BLM up too high (iL78) but I tend to stack Crit/Spell Speed where I can until I have better gear.

I do think your Skill Speed should increase the rate at which you regenerate TP when TP is <400.

[abzoluut]

it's pretty evident you don't know any thing about the game if you think that spell speed/skill speed is useless. Spell speed is one of the most important stats for Black Mages, and Skill speed is the same for Monks. In fact, with out skill speed buffs Monks would literally be the most worthless dps class in the game, in capable of keeping up with any one else.

Judging from your gear, you're not really doing any endgame content (except for Coil 1-5 which now has a 15% echo buff giving you a false image of how monk actually works). Maybe you should wait until you're geared up a litte bit more to fully understand MNK.

Im glad Buddshie pretty much broke it down for you. You could also try the monk forums to learn stuff about your job. I personally did not like SS at all for my MNK (pre echo). Crit over SS gave me more dps (no tp starvation in T1 or T4 for example where you'd constantly would be using abilities).

We'll talk "pretty evident" then buddy. xD