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    Huntington's Avatar
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    Dante Huntington
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marxam View Post
    While I'm not sure why WAR gets a lot of skill speed, some people say its for more dps. uh... what? Tank dps? lol I do feel that it can make more of a contribution to PLD since their stun is on a global. Imagine if you had access to a stun every two seconds! (exaggerating the possibility) but that would be fantastic. In its current state its pretty useless since you need a lot and we probably won't be seeing any potential until maybe the ilvl 150's. It just takes too much for a minuscule increase in weapon skill recast.
    It's a little better for WAR because of their move versatility, they can leave Defiance up and not pull Enmity with their Maim combos but still hit harder than a PLD would in Shield Oath, outside of Tank stance and WAR would hit even harder than PLD also out of it because of Berserk and their rotations.
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    it's pretty evident you don't know any thing about the game if you think that spell speed/skill speed is useless. Spell speed is one of the most important stats for Black Mages, and Skill speed is the same for Monks. In fact, with out skill speed buffs Monks would literally be the most worthless dps class in the game, in capable of keeping up with any one else.
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    Buddhsie Asura
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rakashu View Post
    it's pretty evident you don't know any thing about the game if you think that spell speed/skill speed is useless. Spell speed is one of the most important stats for Black Mages, and Skill speed is the same for Monks. In fact, with out skill speed buffs Monks would literally be the most worthless dps class in the game, in capable of keeping up with any one else.
    Spell speed is good for black mages, yes. But you're wrong about monks. The way monks have been balanced is that they are able to complete their rotations to maintain their greased lightning in time with the GCD. Increasing your skill speed allows for too much time in between, either refreshing your buffs/debuffs prematurely or forcing you to add an inferior weapon skill into your rotation to compensate for gained time. Skill speed does nothing but make you chew through TP faster, which is already a big issue for monk. It's still weighted as the weakest secondary stat for monk.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rakashu View Post
    it's pretty evident you don't know any thing about the game if you think that spell speed/skill speed is useless. Spell speed is one of the most important stats for Black Mages, and Skill speed is the same for Monks. In fact, with out skill speed buffs Monks would literally be the most worthless dps class in the game, in capable of keeping up with any one else.
    Judging from your gear, you're not really doing any endgame content (except for Coil 1-5 which now has a 15% echo buff giving you a false image of how monk actually works). Maybe you should wait until you're geared up a litte bit more to fully understand MNK.

    Im glad Buddshie pretty much broke it down for you. You could also try the monk forums to learn stuff about your job. I personally did not like SS at all for my MNK (pre echo). Crit over SS gave me more dps (no tp starvation in T1 or T4 for example where you'd constantly would be using abilities).

    We'll talk "pretty evident" then buddy. xD
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    Last edited by abzoluut; 05-01-2014 at 02:23 AM.

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    My SMN right now has 500 Spell Speed, this is way too much isn't it? I was thinking of trying to phase that down to 300 or so.
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    Shio Ban
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    Quote Originally Posted by Huntington View Post
    My SMN right now has 500 Spell Speed, this is way too much isn't it? I was thinking of trying to phase that down to 300 or so.
    Waaaay too much.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shioban View Post
    Waaaay too much.
    Everything comes with it, I'm going to have to spend some Myths to get rid of Allagan gear just to reduce it some.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Huntington View Post
    My SMN right now has 500 Spell Speed, this is way too much isn't it? I was thinking of trying to phase that down to 300 or so.
    and SMN does not need SS that much, tbh
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    Warlyx Arada
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    yeah its sucks , its like they wanted to add haste but didnt want it to be OP , atm is useless for a lot of jobs , wasted stat budget....

    and doesnt help that every piece but 2 has it (soldiery gear)

    and war gets a lot of it because wrath , the faster u stack to V the faster u can use inner beast again , so adds survavility in the end.
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    Last edited by Warlyx; 04-30-2014 at 12:16 PM.

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    Rosenthal Hogire
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    Quote Originally Posted by Warlyx View Post
    yeah its sucks , its like they wanted to add haste but didnt want it to be OP , atm is useless for a lot of jobs , wasted stat budget....
    Totally agree. I personally think all of the secondary stats are too conservative in what they do but skill speed is the worst of the bunch. It takes a disgusting amount of SS to drop your GCD by a few points.
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