Time to move on since Square Enix does not listen to its Constituents

[Akujin]

You know, I keep seeing a reoccurring theme in some complaints, about dungeon length... do people actually desire a dungeon run that lasts several hours of your life?

[Gormogon]

Bye. Just because SE didn't do what you what doesn't mean that they're doing bad. Other people like the current Animus method and SE listened to them.

It isn't but they know full well what that roadmap is for the next 2 years. We on the other hand do not after the one they released to us in the beta which is really disappointing because all that secrecy makes people that gave Square-Enix a second chance to become questionable with their methodology.

So while you may not see that they are doing bad but other can and will due to their own individualistic mentality. Regardless if they are right or wrong about it.

I personally don't feel comfortable with that secrecy approach, not because we don't know what we are getting, but because of the lengthy time between content. They don't need to be in detail just generalize it "Raid, Mini-games, PvP, New classes/jobs, New race, Expansion," and so on and so on.

It's very difficult to plan accordingly because with Raiding being the main focus so far it's hard to look forward to the next 2 months after completing the rigorous grind portion of the patch for casual content.

If I didn't know about frontlines I probably would've been taking longer breaks once I was done with my soldiery and beastmen daily grinds and just waited for the people i group with to say they need my assistance. Yet now that I know it's coming I can actually partake on PvP since I can see a deadline to my goal.

Others are lacking that motivation and there's nothing to strengthen that resolve for none raiders.

You know, I keep seeing a reoccurring theme in some complaints, about dungeon length... do people actually desire a dungeon run that lasts several hours of your life?

Because dungeons are linear in design.

Start: Point A
First boss: Point B
Second boss: Point C
Final boss and end of dungeon: Point D

People don't want additional bosses or a longer process from Point A to Point B.

What people want is meaning to the hidden content between Point A and Point B.

That doesn't mean a pointless treasure coffer either. That means actual progressive content that can be done on the side if you need it. Myth, Soldiery, Gear, Vanity, Weakens a boss (removes a mechanic), Strengthens a boss (boosts a mechanic), Skips you ahead 50% into the dungeon, etc, etc, etc. As long as that portion has progressive meaning and it's designed with it in mind it will add to the dungeon design outside of just travel this path and see you next time.

[Alise]

What people want is meaning to the hidden content between Point A and Point B.

That doesn't mean a pointless treasure coffer either. That means actual progressive content that can be done on the side if you need it. Myth, Soldiery, Gear, Vanity, Weakens a boss (removes a mechanic), Strengthens a boss (boosts a mechanic), Skips you ahead 50% into the dungeon, etc, etc, etc. As long as that portion has progressive meaning and it's designed with it in mind it will add to the dungeon design outside of just travel this path and see you next time.

This is a MMO. Any hidden content mean nothing. People share information and those hidden stuffs become "a must". They will ask you to do the fastest way possible to win. If you not follow the way community like to do, then they will just simply abort or leave party. Plus, if you have no idea of those hidden contain, you may lucky to find someone in PT to tell you, or some bad one may simply leave and do it with those who understand. "Hidden" become "A must", it always happen in online game.

By having alternative route. If they are equal useful, then it only divide community into two, and harder to get party. By having alternative route that is better, then it become only route of choice that party asked. (the another route which is worse in comparison become non-existed)

[Gormogon]

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1.) It's not a must. It's an option
2.) If you want to farm. Not hard to inform people that you want to do a specific type of clear. (ex: Brayflox myth farm, Brayflox soldiery farm)
3.) You have options. FC, LS, PF, DF, Shout. The community is not 1 unified mind and never has been. So no need to apply conspiracy theories where none exist and keep that paranoia in check please no need to be cynical either. Not everyone is out to do the method you hate.
4.) No one told me about the chests locations in the expert dungeons. No one told me they were guaranteed DL drops either.
5.) It doesn't become a must. I've seen many people in low level DF ask, "do you guys mind doing these side objective" and not be denied that experience and loot. If you're too afraid to ask and make the party yourself it will never get done.
6.) The community is already divided. This isn't gonna make it any more or any less divide either.
7.) There no such thing as "non-existed" it's still there and it's still a choice.