Zoidac Weapon 2.28

[Saerk]

Here's the thing though. It's not that the people complaining about atma's want a free weapon. I have been logging my playtime when I start and stop atma farming. I am currently at 76 hours farming and only have two atmas. Two. Atma of the scorpion, and Atma of the ram. I'm in a second coil static and I consider myself to be part of the "hardcore" crowd. Unupgraded liberator is TRASH compared to Gae Bolg Animus for dragoons. And the upgraded one is only slightly better due to weapon damage. I have the time to put into the grind. And I have been. Most of the people arguing for the RNG gated atmas are people that already have atma. And I guarantee none of you have put near as much time as I have into it only to receive 2 atmas. They should not gate the best weapon for a class behind RNG. They should gate it behind content. They should have had a Gerolts Masterwork questline that involved RNG and made the relics take the item that drops from t8 instead. It would be gated behind HARD content that almost NO ONE has completed yet. Why should any player in my position have to suffer taking ludicrous amounts of time away from our raiding just to get a weapon to make sure dps is up to par? I was fine with the atma grind until about hour 40 with only 2 atmas. If they do not change the atma drop rate (The book part is fine where its at) I will be sorely disappointed. Anyone that tells me that I'm wrong here that has atma and didn't spend at least as much time getting it as I have to only be 1/6th the way there is honestly just being a dick.

[Mcshiggs]

They should not gate the best weapon for a class behind RNG. They should gate it behind content. They should have had a Gerolts Masterwork questline that involved RNG and made the relics take the item that drops from t8 instead. It would be gated behind HARD content that almost NO ONE has completed yet.

The weapons dropped from turn 9 are the best currently, they are gated behind Hard content that alomst NO ONE has completed yet.
Or do you not consider this because it is currently too hard for your group, and you want weapons to drop from something that your group can complete, but others may not be able to?
When you are looking at the best weapons in the game, you have to go by ilvl, because that determines the weapon damage and main stats, the only other things that change are secondary stats, and which are better can come down to opinions, so if you look at it, High Allegan are the best, followed by upgraded weathered weapons, Animus weapons tied with upgraded Leviathan weapons. After that it is regular Leviathan weapons, Allegan weapons, and Atma weapons fall somewhere in there depending on how many books you have completed.

[Saerk]

We downed t6 yesterday and have got t7 to 40 percent. Please. The t5 weapons aren't as good as tidals or animus.



EDIT: Sorry thought you said t5. And yes they are the best of the best currently. Animus however is second best, and will likely be very close to on par with High Allagan once it's upgraded again. Once again, you're not allowed to have an opinion if you already have your atma and didn't put 76+ hours into it to get all 12 atmas. And before you backlash at me for saying "you're not allowed" sit there a moment and think about how much time I've put it in comparatively. Was it hard? No. Was it hard to stay awake? Yes. I've put more work into just getting atma than a lot of people have put into getting animus. So please reconsider your almighty holy hammer of justice and righteousness opinion for gated gear that is currently the best "readily" and I say readily very hesitantly, obtainable.

[Mcshiggs]

EDIT: Sorry thought you said t5. And yes they are the best of the best currently. Animus however is second best, and will likely be very close to on par with High Allagan once it's upgraded again. Once again, you're not allowed to have an opinion if you already have your atma and didn't put 76+ hours into it to get all 12 atmas.

Upgraded weathered weapons are currently the second best, Animus weapons, Ugraded Leviathan weapons, and Weathered weapons are all tied for third, which secondary stats are better on each vary by class/job. Don't worry about any backlash for you telling me I'm not allowed to have an opinion, since the opinions of "open minded" people like you mean nothing to me.

Oh I'm sorry, did it take you 76 hours to get the atma portion of that shiny animus axe you have there?

I did just under 600 fates for my first 12 atmas, didn't keep track of time. Is it fair, maybe not if it hadn't been how it was explained to us before the quest was released, but Yoshi told us that it would take time, and involve low drop rates. To be told it would involve low drop rates, start the quest, then complain about the quest because it has low drop rates just seems a bit like whining to me.

Yes, and tell me how good determination is for DRGs compared to crit. It's about half as effective. I've done the theorycrafting. So have others. Its a hundred percent bullshit. Higher ilvl=/=better. Animus>Liberator for dragoons.

Do you realize that more than just dragoons play the game, or are interested in upgrading weapons? Oh wait, it's all about you, the rest of us just play so we can pay subs so the devs can cater only to you. You are welcome for my monthly sacrifice.

[Saerk]

Yes, and tell me how good determination is for DRGs compared to crit. It's about half as effective. I've done the theorycrafting. So have others. Its a hundred percent bullshit. Higher ilvl=/=better. Animus>Liberator for dragoons.

[ispano]

Yes, and tell me how good determination is for DRGs compared to crit. It's about half as effective. I've done the theorycrafting. So have others. Its a hundred percent bullshit. Higher ilvl=/=better. Animus>Liberator for dragoons.

The physical damage boost is why you want a higher ilvl weapon. In almost all cases, the increase to physical damage trumps any secondary stats, plus the extra str in this case.

[Saerk]

The physical damage boost is why you want a higher ilvl weapon. In almost all cases, the increase to physical damage trumps any secondary stats, plus the extra str in this case.

I know. The weights are higher on the physical damage. But secondary stats are important too. And t9 is a long way off for everyone unless you're in OotBG. And that's 8 people out of the 2mil subscribers. Gae Bolg has the best secondary stats out of any of them. And when it gets its upgrade in 2.28 I'd wager to say it will STILL have the best secondary stats and have the same weapon damage as liberator. That's why its better all around.

[Empressia]

Yes, and tell me how good determination is for DRGs compared to crit. It's about half as effective. I've done the theorycrafting. So have others. Its a hundred percent bullshit. Higher ilvl=/=better. Animus>Liberator for dragoons.

orly my det drg dps output is higher than our monk in static runs? besides animus gae bolg is giving too much acc

[Saerk]

You are literally too stupid to insult. All of you are more stubborn than an 80 year old man who is being told to go see a doctor. You pick apart every person's post and make arbitrary remarks to make what they are saying look like they want it fixed just for them. And say very arrogant things like "You're welcome for my monthly sacrifice." It is NOT fair. At all. Plain and simple. RNG is RNG. But that doesn't make it fair. Everyone should have to put the same amount of time into it. I don't care how long. The only reason this is even a two sided argument is because of people like you who got lucky, and people like me who are getting shafted. If it was the same time sink for everyone that was ridiculously long and people were complaining I would be on your side of the argument. The issue is, its not hard. And its not time consuming. Its only time consuming if rng says "screw you." To others its barely time consuming at all.

[Logo]

Everyone should have to put the same amount of time into it. I don't care how long. The only reason this is even a two sided argument is because of people like you who got lucky, and people like me who are getting shafted

Again
"Everyone should have to put the same amount of time into it."

No.