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    Purrfectstorm's Avatar
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    Purrfect Storm
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    Cactuar
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    Dragoon Lv 90
    It took me about 360 fates over 3 days to get Atma (I kept track). It takes me about 5 days to get and do a book (doing mostly just roulette i.e. <3 hours a day). I'm on my 5th book. Pacing seems fine so far to me (although I realize mine is not the only perspective). I'm glad for the delay because I might've felt obligated to step up my grinding. I'm glad I can play more casually and not feel like I'm falling behind. Also, I'm glad that the quest is time consuming but not difficult. There's enough difficult content in the game for good gear. I like an alternative progression path that doesn't force you into statics, even if the gear is only 3rd best.
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    NoRyoKu's Avatar
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    Noryoku Nory
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    Siren
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    I don't understand why a quest in an MMO should feel super satisfying for those who can put time in it and super unsatisfying for those who don't have the time. We all play the same game you know.

    Are you telling me : "You don't want to grind?? then just don't play and don't get the super cool items ????"
    Are you telling me : "You want the super cool Novus weapon?? welcome to FFXIV a grind reborn
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    NoRyoKu

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    Asrah Stone
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    Quote Originally Posted by NoRyoKu View Post
    I don't understand why a quest in an MMO should feel super satisfying for those who can put time in it and super unsatisfying for those who don't have the time. We all play the same game you know.

    Are you telling me : "You don't want to grind?? then just don't play and don't get the super cool items ????"
    Are you telling me : "You want the super cool Novus weapon?? welcome to FFXIV a grind reborn

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    Quote Originally Posted by Moheeheeko View Post

    yeah, i'm QQing because i don't see the end of it, not because i want it right now,

    What would you say if your boss was telling you that you have to work for 6 month before your first paycheck????

    Yup that's what i thought
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    Quote Originally Posted by NoRyoKu View Post
    yeah, i'm QQing because i don't see the end of it, not because i want it right now,
    how is that not the exact same thing? O.o
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    Paladin Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by NoRyoKu View Post
    yeah, i'm QQing because i don't see the end of it, not because i want it right now,

    What would you say if your boss was telling you that you have to work for 6 month before your first paycheck????

    Yup that's what i thought
    May I suggest to try to put all of your chances on your side, like using the Zenith Shield instead of the Allagan that you are wearing now? I've had luck with the Japanese theory, others didn't. You do 5 fates in one map, not working? move to another one. (I got all of them soloing (except one) and sometimes with my Choco.)

    It's not for everyone. Those who want it, will put time to it, just like your time you got into Coil, for that Allagan gear.

    I knew I couldnt make it to the EM primals, getting T4 for now. So for me it was a viable option. And it gave my FC incentive to do it, as they saw for themselves that if I did it, anyone can! /cheer

    My GF gave up on it, for now ^^

    Side note: Happy to see that Montrealers are on other servers, let's spread the love! ^^
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    Last edited by KingOfAbyss; 04-24-2014 at 05:02 AM. Reason: Silly 1000 characters lol

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    Saerk's Avatar
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    William Adams
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    Balmung
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    Lancer Lv 60
    Here's the thing though. It's not that the people complaining about atma's want a free weapon. I have been logging my playtime when I start and stop atma farming. I am currently at 76 hours farming and only have two atmas. Two. Atma of the scorpion, and Atma of the ram. I'm in a second coil static and I consider myself to be part of the "hardcore" crowd. Unupgraded liberator is TRASH compared to Gae Bolg Animus for dragoons. And the upgraded one is only slightly better due to weapon damage. I have the time to put into the grind. And I have been. Most of the people arguing for the RNG gated atmas are people that already have atma. And I guarantee none of you have put near as much time as I have into it only to receive 2 atmas. They should not gate the best weapon for a class behind RNG. They should gate it behind content. They should have had a Gerolts Masterwork questline that involved RNG and made the relics take the item that drops from t8 instead. It would be gated behind HARD content that almost NO ONE has completed yet. Why should any player in my position have to suffer taking ludicrous amounts of time away from our raiding just to get a weapon to make sure dps is up to par? I was fine with the atma grind until about hour 40 with only 2 atmas. If they do not change the atma drop rate (The book part is fine where its at) I will be sorely disappointed. Anyone that tells me that I'm wrong here that has atma and didn't spend at least as much time getting it as I have to only be 1/6th the way there is honestly just being a dick.
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    Vizzer Mcshiggs
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    Sargatanas
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    Goldsmith Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Saerk View Post
    They should not gate the best weapon for a class behind RNG. They should gate it behind content. They should have had a Gerolts Masterwork questline that involved RNG and made the relics take the item that drops from t8 instead. It would be gated behind HARD content that almost NO ONE has completed yet.
    The weapons dropped from turn 9 are the best currently, they are gated behind Hard content that alomst NO ONE has completed yet.
    Or do you not consider this because it is currently too hard for your group, and you want weapons to drop from something that your group can complete, but others may not be able to?
    When you are looking at the best weapons in the game, you have to go by ilvl, because that determines the weapon damage and main stats, the only other things that change are secondary stats, and which are better can come down to opinions, so if you look at it, High Allegan are the best, followed by upgraded weathered weapons, Animus weapons tied with upgraded Leviathan weapons. After that it is regular Leviathan weapons, Allegan weapons, and Atma weapons fall somewhere in there depending on how many books you have completed.
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    Last edited by Mcshiggs; 04-24-2014 at 04:01 AM.

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    We downed t6 yesterday and have got t7 to 40 percent. Please. The t5 weapons aren't as good as tidals or animus.



    EDIT: Sorry thought you said t5. And yes they are the best of the best currently. Animus however is second best, and will likely be very close to on par with High Allagan once it's upgraded again. Once again, you're not allowed to have an opinion if you already have your atma and didn't put 76+ hours into it to get all 12 atmas. And before you backlash at me for saying "you're not allowed" sit there a moment and think about how much time I've put it in comparatively. Was it hard? No. Was it hard to stay awake? Yes. I've put more work into just getting atma than a lot of people have put into getting animus. So please reconsider your almighty holy hammer of justice and righteousness opinion for gated gear that is currently the best "readily" and I say readily very hesitantly, obtainable.
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    Last edited by Saerk; 04-24-2014 at 04:02 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saerk View Post
    EDIT: Sorry thought you said t5. And yes they are the best of the best currently. Animus however is second best, and will likely be very close to on par with High Allagan once it's upgraded again. Once again, you're not allowed to have an opinion if you already have your atma and didn't put 76+ hours into it to get all 12 atmas.
    Upgraded weathered weapons are currently the second best, Animus weapons, Ugraded Leviathan weapons, and Weathered weapons are all tied for third, which secondary stats are better on each vary by class/job. Don't worry about any backlash for you telling me I'm not allowed to have an opinion, since the opinions of "open minded" people like you mean nothing to me.

    Quote Originally Posted by Saerk View Post
    Oh I'm sorry, did it take you 76 hours to get the atma portion of that shiny animus axe you have there?
    I did just under 600 fates for my first 12 atmas, didn't keep track of time. Is it fair, maybe not if it hadn't been how it was explained to us before the quest was released, but Yoshi told us that it would take time, and involve low drop rates. To be told it would involve low drop rates, start the quest, then complain about the quest because it has low drop rates just seems a bit like whining to me.

    Quote Originally Posted by Saerk View Post
    Yes, and tell me how good determination is for DRGs compared to crit. It's about half as effective. I've done the theorycrafting. So have others. Its a hundred percent bullshit. Higher ilvl=/=better. Animus>Liberator for dragoons.
    Do you realize that more than just dragoons play the game, or are interested in upgrading weapons? Oh wait, it's all about you, the rest of us just play so we can pay subs so the devs can cater only to you. You are welcome for my monthly sacrifice.
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    Last edited by Mcshiggs; 04-24-2014 at 04:19 AM.

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