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    Well, last I've heard from EVERY source ever, you need to reach a minimum of 400 skill speed to optimize your combos. The previous best in slot setup was over that mark as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grimm08 View Post
    Well, last I've heard from EVERY source ever, you need to reach a minimum of 400 skill speed to optimize your combos. The previous best in slot setup was over that mark as well.
    This is definitely not the case.
    Twin Snakes is 15 seconds now not the 12 seconds it used to be.
    You never needed 400+ GCD to get 6 GCD in 12 seconds for buffs because of the delay between skill activation, skill animation and skill application.
    The BiS gearsets never took into account a minimum Skill Speed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by enil View Post
    This is definitely not the case.
    Twin Snakes is 15 seconds now not the 12 seconds it used to be.
    You never needed 400+ GCD to get 6 GCD in 12 seconds for buffs because of the delay between skill activation, skill animation and skill application.
    The BiS gearsets never took into account a minimum Skill Speed.
    http://www.ffxivguild.com/ffxiv-monk...me-gear-guide/
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    A "guide" that has incorrect spelling and 0 explanation or maths is just an opinion. The accuracy requirement is incorrect and it weights Determination as the same as Crit. Pretty all the information is incorrect.
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    Quote Originally Posted by enil View Post
    A "guide" that has incorrect spelling and 0 explanation or maths is just an opinion. The accuracy requirement is incorrect and it weights Determination as the same as Crit. Pretty all the information is incorrect.
    I'm not seeing a single bit of misspelling, and gives explanation as to how things are weighted, as well as why they have that priority. The accuracy requirement is spot on, and mentioned that Det and Crit are around the same priority, not the same weight.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grimm08 View Post
    snip.
    Accuracy is incorrect.
    Accuracy requirements for T5 is 458 for Flank/Back and 482 from front. This has been tested thoroughly in this thread.

    Spelling doesn't really matter but "treshold" is a mispelling

    Priority's is the same thing as weightings - if you check the calculations by EasyModeX in this thread and other dps simulators Det is significantly higher weighted then Crit. Det should always be priority over other secondary stats (apart from accuracy). As you see all the people who have responded you do not need 400SS+ to add an extra hit for PB unless you are not using your first 3 abilities to put up GLx3.
    The "explanation" on which secondary stats to pick is because Determination is a flat linear increase in damage, this doesn't explain anything, crit also increase your damage linearly and so does STR.

    I don't think you'll find a single person here who will tell you Myth Body is superior to Allagan body in any way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by enil View Post
    Accuracy is incorrect.
    Priority's is the same thing as weightings - if you check the calculations by EasyModeX in this thread and other dps simulators Det is significantly higher weighted then Crit. Det should always be priority over other secondary stats (apart from accuracy).
    Technically priority is not the same thing as the weight. It just happens for Monks and Dragoons that the weight for DTR is so high that it is also the first priority.

    Priority and weights separate when we talk about gear stat allocations / item budget. For a given piece of a gear, it may have 20 DTR or 29 CRT. As a result, the gear slot will get DTR_priority = 20*DTR_weight versus CRT_priority = 29*CRT_weight.

    For Monks and Dragoons, 20*dtr is still > 29*crt.

    For Bards, the difference matters more because DTR has slightly higher per-point weight than CRT for them, except you get nearly 50% more crit on a given piece of gear, so crit is a higher priority.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grimm08 View Post
    Well, last I've heard from EVERY source ever, you need to reach a minimum of 400 skill speed to optimize your combos. The previous best in slot setup was over that mark as well.
    Well, here I am telling you that it is definitely not the case. I don't even remember the last time I had more than 400 skill speed. I also don't remember the last time I fit less than 5 skills into PB unless the target moved or something.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mister-Wonderful View Post
    I have skill speed on only my allagan boots of striking, leaving me at 356 skill speed, and in any fight I do I can easily fit 5 weaponskills into PB.
    Same.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NoctisUmbra View Post
    Well, here I am telling you that it is definitely not the case. I don't even remember the last time I had more than 400 skill speed. I also don't remember the last time I fit less than 5 skills into PB unless the target moved or something.
    Yeah, I don't know where people are getting this 430 required Skill Speed for 5 PB attacks from. I've got like 380 if that, and I get 5 PB attacks in everytime unless the target moves way off (like on a wild pull or something).
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