Feedback Regarding the Relic Upgrade Quest

[Roris]

8/12 my biggest problem is that ATMA farming is all I do. I log in and grind. Grind sol to 450, grind ATMA. That's been my experience since 2.2. I know I don't have to, but let's face it most MMO players play for the gear it's an obsession.

Most PF is full of Atma parties, I remember when more people did stuff like coils and EX or even Chimera, Ultima and CT and what not, now the majority is just Atma luck grind.

So that's like saying vendor trash = fate drops (like sinews and dodo feathers), gold = gil + seals, and something amazing = atmas. Thank you for proving my point there. When I fate grind, things happpen too, lol.

Except Atmas aren't amazing at all, they're just the entry fee to start working towards the actual reward, so there goes any point.

[Escadora]

I don't mind the grind. Then again RNG has been nice to me.

[Kaaylryn]

One of the things that bothers me the most, is that all but 2 of our static group has their atma finished. I have grinded fates as much as they, and now more because of RNG. One of us is not bothering and I only have 7/12 and have been at that for days. My other friends are now working together to grind tomes or helping each other out with the books. I am stuck behind because of pure, blind luck. One of my group actually was very lucky and got all his in the first 2 days.

And yes, there are other weapons, but I have no idea what the end product of the zodiac weapon will be. Way worse than T9 or just slightly worse, second BIS does anyone know yet?

I am honestly so frustrated right now. At least when you get to the book/tome part, there is progress that can be seen. I need X dungeon, need to kill X mobs, need 500 more tomes, 400, 300, etc. There is no way to even gauge progress with this. This is the worst implementation I have seen. Perhaps it is so the zones will feel full for the PS/4 players, but why break my back to do this?

[LilithMakyomo]

Except Atmas aren't amazing at all, they're just the entry fee to start working towards the actual reward, so there goes any point.

I really feel bad for you if seeing an atma drop doesn't give you at least somewhat of a rush. Regardless, think what you will. Whatever I say won't change that.

[MagicJohnson]

I really feel bad for you if seeing an atma drop doesn't give you at least somewhat of a rush. Regardless, think what you will. Whatever I say won't change that.

He doesn't mean whether an Atma drop gives you a "rush" or not. He means that an Atma relic is just a 12+ Hour paint job, which also inflates your Relic ilvl from 90 to 100 for no apparent reason.

[Roris]

I really feel bad for you if seeing an atma drop doesn't give you at least somewhat of a rush. Regardless, think what you will. Whatever I say won't change that.

I got a rush when I bet the story, I got a rush when we beat primals up to Titan, I got a rush when we started beating Coils, I got a rush when we beat EX Primals, I got a rush when we beat Twintania. The only thing I got from Atmas is a feeling of I'm glad it's over, at least for now until my next weapon, I'll get a rush when I complete my Animus because that actually involves something else than just raw luck.

[Calyanare]

I'll get a rush when I complete my Animus because that actually involves something else than just raw luck.

This is the crux of the problem right here. Finishing the Atma grind isn't an accomplishment because it's 100% luck, your effort is not rewarded proportionally. The feeling you get when you finish it isn't accomplishment, it's relief that you're finally finished and don't have to do this thankless, endless grinding anymore. The Animus upgrades, however, your effort is rewarded proportionally, so it is an accomplishment to finish. The goal is clear-cut and you are guaranteed to make progress every time you set out to do so.

I don't get a rush of accomplishment when I see an Atma drop. It's pure relief that I can check off another zone from the list.

[Mitternacht]

So that's like saying vendor trash = fate drops (like sinews and dodo feathers), gold = gil + seals, and something amazing = atmas. Thank you for proving my point there. When I fate grind, things happpen too, lol.

They have nothing to do with Atma. All those things would happen whether you had the quest or not and none of them happen with the frequency of the loot systems of the games you mentioned. Nevermind the fact that you can affect drop rates in those games via difficulty settings and grouping or that Reaper of Souls dramatically moved away from throwing streams of useless junk at the player.

Then don't do it. Literally the simplest answer that no one ever wants to hear. If you can get a weapon that is better WHY DO YOU CARE??

Personally, I am not touching it. However in terms of an alternate progression path it is incredibly poor game design.

[Taruranto]

It's sad, so many people still complaining about Atma. Just wait till you get to the 13500 mythology tombs... I mean, at least it's not RNG anymore, but it's the most tedious grind ever...

That's because you think you have to do it in 2 days.

[Mithent]

One of the things that bothers me the most, is that all but 2 of our static group has their atma finished. I have grinded fates as much as they, and now more because of RNG. One of us is not bothering and I only have 7/12 and have been at that for days. My other friends are now working together to grind tomes or helping each other out with the books. I am stuck behind because of pure, blind luck. One of my group actually was very lucky and got all his in the first 2 days.

That's similar to the problem I've had: my partner finished the Atma grind days ago and has been focusing on doing the books and gathering mythology, but I can't participate because I'm gated out by not being as lucky. I just got my 12th crystal, but I'm behind by three books now.