Quote Originally Posted by SirTaint View Post
8/12 my biggest problem is that ATMA farming is all I do. I log in and grind. Grind sol to 450, grind ATMA. That's been my experience since 2.2. I know I don't have to, but let's face it most MMO players play for the gear it's an obsession.
Most PF is full of Atma parties, I remember when more people did stuff like coils and EX or even Chimera, Ultima and CT and what not, now the majority is just Atma luck grind.

Quote Originally Posted by LilithMakyomo View Post
So that's like saying vendor trash = fate drops (like sinews and dodo feathers), gold = gil + seals, and something amazing = atmas. Thank you for proving my point there. When I fate grind, things happpen too, lol.
Except Atmas aren't amazing at all, they're just the entry fee to start working towards the actual reward, so there goes any point.