Feedback Regarding the Relic Upgrade Quest

[Irishfae]

I'm going to chime in again and stress something that I feel isn't getting enough attention. How in the world is this helping me to become a better anything? I want to atma my WHM relic first, but I've been farming on my SMN (both are zenithed) to get more DPS.

To get the relic to begin with you HAD to have it equipped or be on the job you wanted to get it for. I feel like this FATE grind has cheapened everything we did (which isn't anywhere near what the 1.0 players went through, I know) to get the relic to begin with. And making it so that you have to be on the job you are looking for the atma for while doing FATEs doesn't solve the problem of making a person learn their job to some extent. There is no need to know how to play a job when all a FATE is, is a zerg the mobs down fest. I want something that I have to earn by playing my job.

Heck, you have made a mount harder to get then a relic upgrade. Tank 200 full party high level content (so much coil and primals), why can't we have something like that? Something like; heal 24 high level full group content get 1 atma and so on every 24 completed runs as the job until you have run 288 of them and earned all of your atmas for the weapon. Rinse and repeat for your other jobs. I want this to mean something. I want to earn this and know that I got it on skill rather than I got lucky with the RNG.

[AmnesiaHaze]

This really just isn't any fun.

yeah as long its fun i dont mind extensive grinds , but atmas is by far the worst type of content i played in FFXIV , worse than fate grinding to level 50 because there i saw a XP bar movin while doing it , lol even manually crafting the same item over and over again is more fun than atmas because i see a xp bar moving

[TouchandFeel]

A response/idea of mine regarding this from another thread that I felt should reposted here in the "consolidated" thread.

How I could see it being done is as a hunting log. The bottom tiers are weaker mobs but you have to kill a lot of them and as the tiers go up, the number you have to kill decreases but their lvl/strength/difficulty increases. You could even have dungeon mobs and bosses and primals on the list so that makes players go into that content.

I feel that this would be a much better solution for many reasons.
First it would provide measurable progression for the players.
Second it would provide more equal progression for the players so that same amount of work reaps equal reward.
Third it could provide more variety of content to go through to complete; open world, fates, trials, dungeons. All content could be utilized.
Lastly it could be much more easily tweaked and balanced from a development side. Not taking long enough for players to complete, increase the number of each mob type that needs to be killed , taking too long then decrease them.

So in conclusion, I feel something like this would be a much better way of completing the atma quest than the current implementation.

[Sunarie]

Maybe it's just me, but I don't see how the Atma grind is really any different from the "kill x number of mobs" style quests. In fact, it's exactly like that quest, but some people have to kill less mobs, and some people have to kill more, and you have no idea which group you fall into until after you've been at it for hours.

RNG doesn't go hand in hand with RPG either. Maybe it goes hand in hand with "MMO".. but single player RPGs I've played usually have very little RNG involved (unless of course you're talking about trash items like potions and such), with the higher level weapons and armor dropped or placed in very specific locations. Even the lower level stuff isn't handed out RNG style. I would also say that while RNG goes hand in hand with previous MMOs, it doesn't go hand in hand with every aspect of an MMO, especially when the chance at an item is so horrendously low. Modern MMOs all seem to be moving away from RNG instead (even FFXIV was until patch 2.2), and rightly so. RNG doesn't really reward work or skill, it rewards luck.

[Allard]

I have a theory. I have 4 atmas so far. Every Atma I have recieved has been when I have done a fate, either by myself, or with 1-2 other people. Every time I have grinded fates in a big group, I have never received one. I wonder if an atma is randomly given to one person for each fate, so the larger the group, the less chance you have of getting it.

This is just a theory. An unlikely one. I am one person. Has anyone else experienced or tested this?

[Gormogon]

The FATE is painful. That's just RNG being RNG it sucks but a certain vocal group insists on people not being able to obtain certain gear because of petty reasons. This affects everyone even the whiners but it wont stop people that can be dedicated regardless of rage and anger getting in the way to be able to complete this.

Many people already have their atma's and many are still working on it.

That certain group did nothing but make their own grind a piece of work. My first animus is only books away myth grind and the book grind aren't so bad. Yet I keep going at my own pace.

[Calyanare]

I have a theory. I have 4 atmas so far. Every Atma I have recieved has been when I have done a fate, either by myself, or with 1-2 other people. Every time I have grinded fates in a big group, I have never received one. I wonder if an atma is randomly given to one person for each fate, so the larger the group, the less chance you have of getting it.

This is just a theory. An unlikely one. I am one person. Has anyone else experienced or tested this?

I've been in a full group of 8 and seen 3 people get an Atma at once from the same FATE.

[Roris]

I have a theory. I have 4 atmas so far. Every Atma I have recieved has been when I have done a fate, either by myself, or with 1-2 other people. Every time I have grinded fates in a big group, I have never received one. I wonder if an atma is randomly given to one person for each fate, so the larger the group, the less chance you have of getting it.

This is just a theory. An unlikely one. I am one person. Has anyone else experienced or tested this?

Got most of them solo or with my chocobo, bad RNG is just bad RNG for a badly designed content wall that relies entirely on luck and not getting bored from pressing a single button over and over.

[Allard]

I've been in a full group of 8 and seen 3 people get an Atma at once from the same FATE.

yeah just tested it myself and it didn't work. Guess it was all just a coincidence ^^;

[Wicc]

I have a theory. I have 4 atmas so far. Every Atma I have recieved has been when I have done a fate, either by myself, or with 1-2 other people. Every time I have grinded fates in a big group, I have never received one. I wonder if an atma is randomly given to one person for each fate, so the larger the group, the less chance you have of getting it.

This is just a theory. An unlikely one. I am one person. Has anyone else experienced or tested this?

Honestly: I think it has some factor. I did it this morning before work when only about 5 people were in the area and I got 2 atmas in about an hour. The night before, I farmed with a huge group for 3 hours and didn't get one.