My two cents on the ATMA Issue

[MicahZerrshia]

Ive been with this game nonstop since beta v1, I played xi for years, I ran dynamis for relics and salvage for mythics, I completed the v1 story on 2 chars and stayed after last save, I was there when dalamud dropped.

This may be the straw that broke the camel's back.

This is lazy game design. This is boring, outrageously stupid and is a completely silly grind. At least with collecting ancient currency and alexandrite you felt like you were making progress, but this fate bs is complete bs. idk what the devs are thinking but having us run lvl 5 fates for hours and hours to get one drop for one weapon is lazy. I don't mind a grind if its at least interesting or fun, like Dyna, einherjar, nyzul and salvage were. Heck I did those for literally years and enjoyed it. I have been grinding fates for days with no drops and am getting over it.

FATEs are not good game design or fun for the majority of the playerbase from what I have been reading. To much more emphasis on this stupid fate bs and my multiple subs will go elsewhere. I am not paying each month just to spend hrs in a zone grinding lazy content.

Make it long if you want but at least make it fun.

[Blitzace]

This isn't about immediate gratification. They are complaining because the quest is extremely boring and because it is extremely random.

Thank you this is exactly what i'm talking about,
Hell, i'll even admit, the first hour or two were fun. Doing some fates again, but that turned around real soon and now its just a pain, after so many hours... so many fates to still not have a drop and yet i see people coming and going one drop after another, I've seen more then a few full parties come and go getting their drop while i'm still searching for my first drop.

Its not about time put in, Its about how boring and how random this quest is, and on another note, this is probably the first quest that i've seen people rage over in chat and in party and just logging OFF, not just gonna do something else,no log off.

[TouchandFeel]

I kinda feel the personal attacks didn't start with me, but I just feel as an older gamer (29), that the younger generation seeks immediate satisfaction in almost all walks of life. When I responded to Veruca, it was on the point of reading comprehension in reference to my post. Veruca seemed to insert the word "accomplishment" in to my post while misinterpreting what I was trying to say. Making fun of someone for their spelling is what people who don't have the ability to come up with a coherent thought do on the internet. I was also attacked by several people for having a different opinion. Its amazing to me that people want you to think they're open-minded right up until they disagree with you. I'm honestly just perturbed that people feel that they can change the perimeters of the quest bye saying that its unfair.

Pretty much you are just behaving in the way that you are accusing everyone else of behaving.

So, for starters I am older than you, started "gaming" on an gen 1 Apple II computer, have played mmo's since EQ1 and have shipped a mmo as a game designer.
I am not one of the so called "entitled generation", although I will agree that they do exist.
I am also no stranger to "old school/hardcore" gaming, mmo design, game system designs, etc. and guess what, I disagree with the design and structure of the atma collection portion of the relic upgrade. I understand the basics behind it, its a basic time gating mechanism that is common in mmo's, but I find the implementation to be poor and in practice a bit extreme as the time investment for the totality of the quests is on average a huge leap from the time investment for going from relic to relic+1, that and the disparity in time invested between someone who got lucky with the rng and someone who did not is enormous, which many people feel to be unfair.

The reason I have called you out was that I felt that you did indeed start with the personal attacks by making a statement that insinuated that those that had a problem with the atma quest were all a bunch of kids acting entitled. Coupling this with fact that you got as lucky as you did and got your atma so quickly, yet had the audacity to make such blanket statements against others that were frustrated that they had spent well over twice as much time and had yet to see a single atma drop just made you come off as the one acting entitled.

The reason I called out the spelling mistake was in direct correlation to you using Hooked on Phonics (a program that was intended to teach reading and yes spelling through phonetic pronunciation) as a reference point in an insult aimed at another person.

Also, Veruca Salt is the name of the spoiled rich girl from Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory/Charlie and the Chocolate Factory (depending on what you want to use as reference). I couldn't tell if you understood that from your response.

Those are my thoughts on the subject and they are quite coherent, despite being on the internet.

[Xevren]

Well it will take a long time, regardless of whether you get all of the atma tomorrow, or a year from now. I just unlocked the first book of the quest, and it requires a good deal of completion. I hope everyone gets a little lucky in the days and weeks to come, because this is a great deal of work for a lvl 100 weapon. I know that there is a good chance that the zodiac upgrade will be well worth the effort so all i can say is to stick it out if you really want it. Take breaks from time to time and just enjoy the rest of 2.2.....Hell I haven't Even fought Gilgamesh, or Leviathan, finished the new main story quests or even learned to dance the Manderville.

[Synestra]

Instead FATE's it would have been better to add those atmas in levequests that requires you to kill say 500 mobs, that way it would still take good amount of time to complete while you could still see some progress. Book part is actually pretty well done imo even tho you still need to do 3 FATE's in there aswell, luckily you only need to do those once.

[TouchandFeel]

Instead FATE's it would have been better to add those atmas in levequests that requires you to kill say 500 mobs, that way it would still take good amount of time to complete while you could still see some progress. Book part is actually pretty well done imo even tho you still need to do 3 FATE's in there aswell, luckily you only need to do those once.

Actually, something like this would be an excellent idea

How I could see it being done is as a hunting log. The bottom tiers are weaker mobs but you have to kill a lot of them and as the tiers go up, the number you have to kill decreases but their lvl/strength/difficulty increases. You could even have dungeon mobs and bosses and primals on the list so that makes players go into that content.

I feel that this would be a much better solution for many reasons.
First it would provide measurable progression for the players.
Second it would provide more equal progression for the players so that same amount of work reaps equal reward.
Third it could provide more variety of content to go through to complete; open world, fates, trials, dungeons. All content could be utilized.
Lastly it could be much more easily tweaked and balanced from a development side. Not taking long enough for players to complete, increase the number of each mob type that needs to be killed , taking too long then decrease them.

So in conclusion, I feel something like this would be a much better way of completing the atma quest than the current implementation.

[TouchandFeel]

Hell I haven't Even fought Gilgamesh, or Leviathan, finished the new main story quests or even learned to dance the Manderville.

Definitely do the new dance quests too if you haven't already. There is one in each of the cities, they are pretty quick to complete and the Harvest Dance from Gridania is awesome.

[skald]

i still dont get how people that only have a few hours a day are going to be forced to do fates, and even people that can stay online all day long dont get any drops.
really stupid move SE, really ffin stupid......

[Muziko]

I'll take this rather than having to do Einherjar or whatever it was every day for two years to get my mythic weapon. This is fine the way it is. It gives people a reason to run the content, and I don't mind jumping on TS to shoot the breeze with my friends while we go around trolling other groups of FATErs.

[Blitzace]

New guy 1st fate, he had his drop. Now i'm not pissed at him, no i'm pissed at this lazy content, its no fun, its boring, it has no challenge and its random as HELL!
Sure people who get drops are thinking its not that bad right? No sure if you are getting drops its fine, But i've wasted more time getting zero atma's then most people with 12 atma's its just no fun at all.'
And i can give countless suggestions how to make it better,

1. With every 10 fates increase drop % on this atma ?
1b. Maybe some sort of chain bonus?

2. Remove the fate grind and make it a dungeon/trial grind people enjoy that alot more then random fates(Have to increase drop rate a bit since dungeons take alot longer obviously)
2b. Chain bonus again If completed within X minutes/hour you get a 10-20% drop rate bonus or w/e

Stuff like that will make it more bearable, and more FUN Something that this quest doesn't have at all

30 hours+ in.