Plan to remove benefit for failing leves?

[Kallera]

Alexia in this 'worst case' scenario you raise I simply wouldn't do leves, until such time as a worthwhile set came up. Also to Kallera who said you are someone who complains there is nothing to do, that comment holds no water. Of course there's nothing to do. The point of leves is to get you SP (and some other junk on the side as secondary rewards that many people could care less about). If you can only do a limited amount of them for some set period of time and there are more leves in existence than you can do in that given period of time, you'll gravitate towards the most efficient ones. The rest, practically speaking, don't exist.

Well, I'm sure people will be tickled pink about the idea of doing "dunesfolk for dinner" for the rest of their gaming lives.

Well, why not? Its only exp. Fun shouldn't be something that we have to look for. It should all be a stones throw from us, the only thing that gives the highest numbers. We can have fun when were all 50 and on the forums. /sarcasm

[AlexiaKidd]

Well, I'm sure people will be tickled pink about the idea of doing "dunefolk for dinner" for the rest ofntheir gaming lives.

Well that is the entire point though isn't it, the fact that the only content in the game atm is Leves and we have been doing them since September, there is something seriously wrong with that.

Actually that's a bit of a lie, at launch until the great party SP/EXP nerf of Nov. 2010 most people would group up and do grind parties. It was only after they killed that and boosted Leves that it became Leves or nothing, though you still have good old Dobs and Cobs to solo on but then they nerfed that too so it's Leves or nothing atm.

[Kallera]

Well that is the entire point though isn't it, the fact that the only content in the game atm is Leves and we have been doing them since September, there is something seriously wrong with that.

My point is were you doing different leves? Or difficult leves? I heard a no to the first, and "we should only do efficient leves, together" on the second. I'd like to do different stuff too. But people are sacrificing doing something NEW with the leves, to a mad rush to 50.

[AlexiaKidd]

My point is were you doing different leves? Or difficult leves? I heard a no to the first, and "we should only do efficient leves, together" on the second. I'd like to do different stuff too. But people are sacrificing doing something NEW with the leves, to a mad rush to 50.

Believe me I have probably done every single leve at every single camp in the game and there is not much difference apart from some absolutely terrible ones (I am looking at you Defence Leves ><) and the ones that net you the most SP. I currently have 999 Faction credits in all 3 factions and I want for nothing in the game as I have everything I need, the only thing I do is level my battle classes.

I do go out and grind sometimes with some fellow troops but the problem is that the amount of SP you earn grinding compared to what you can earn with abandoned leves makes it seem completely pointless. As Zaviermhigo just said if you can earn more by failing there is something wrong with the system and I agree, but just shifting the SP to be gained at the end without making further adjustments to the Leve system is a recipe for disaster.

I wouldn't say I am in a mad rush to 50 but I guess it I probably am, it's just that I have nothing else to do in game apart from get SP, and if I am getting SP I want to get it the most efficient way possible so as best to utilise my time in game. At the minute that way is Leve abandoning as I can earn 100K SP in 2 hours, so unless a grind camp comes along and offer somewhere in the region of 40k SP an hour I wouldn't even look at it really but the truth is the best camps only offer around 20k an hour so it is miles behind.

[Rentahamster]

apart from some absolutely terrible ones (I am looking at you Defence Leves ><)

Oh god yes. Whoever designed defense leves should be fired and then publicly shamed.

That kind of horrible game design is completely mind boggling.

[Xenor]

Oh god yes. Whoever designed defense leves should be fired and then publicly shamed.

That kind of horrible game design is completely mind boggling.

The worst part is the concept behind the defence leve is great. They have so much potential if done right. Mobs should be constantly coming for you until the time runs out. You should have a new group aggro you before you finish off the first group. No retarded 3 minute waits between the first mob and the second.

[AlexiaKidd]

The worst part is the concept behind the defence leve is great. They have so much potential if done right. Mobs should be constantly coming for you until the time runs out. You should have a new group aggro you before you finish off the first group. No retarded 3 minute waits between the first mob and the second.

Exactly, it is a good concept but the execution is terrible, I have actually fallen asleep waiting for the second "wave" to attack before lol

[normalforce]

Oh god yes. Whoever designed defense leves should be fired and then publicly shamed.

That kind of horrible game design is completely mind boggling.

Sorry, I don't think I've had the pleasure. What is a defense leve?

EDIT: Missed the follow up posts about them. So, it's no Expeditionary Force from FFXI then?

[Jaide]

Sorry, I don't think I've had the pleasure. What is a defense leve?

EDIT: Missed the follow up posts about them. So, it's no Expeditionary Force from FFXI then?

You stand in one place for about five minutes waiting for waves of enemies to attack you. The problem is, the intervals are too far apart and frequently you're left standing around for several minutes waiting for the leve to end after you've finished off the last wave. I think they'd be more interesting if you were attacked by more often and something always spawned at the end.