Plan to remove benefit for failing leves?

[Kiara]

While the current situation where players intentionally fail leves is not against the rules of the current game design, it obviously doesn't foster a healthy game environment. In our future plans for Guildleves, we don't plan on adding a penalty for failing, but instead plan to include a bonus for completion.

Thanks Bayohne. Good news! And something that should help both sides.

To those that feel failing them isn't right or fair, to let you know, I have friends on my server who are still desperately trying to complete their Harlequin Armor Set (requiring Faction Credits, which you get from completing leves).

So they aren't failing their Guildleves, and they are choosing to complete them to gain more Faction Credits, faster, to try and get those rare items from Faction Guildleves.

I think that once SE adds more unique, rare Items as rewards from Faction Guildleves (or make Guild Marks more valuable (add new items that are worth buying from each Guild for Guild Marks) and have increased Guild Mark Rewards from Faction Leves), these would incentivize more Players to consider completing Guildleves.

I also like Alexia's idea of having stuff like rewarding Anima or Guardian's Favor, or other interesting additions (besides Gil).

Ultimately, though, it's up to the individual Player how they want to play. As long as it doesn't hurt you, it's their choice. More interesting, rare items would help as well, like if they had made Tattered Robe (for Vintage Robe) only available from a Faction Guildleve, or, say, you can only get Dragonscales for a new Dragon Bow, from a Faction Guildleve (all for Faction Credits)), and suddenly, there's a lot more incentive to complete Guildleves.

I think we'll see it balance out by itself with better rewards as Bayohne / SE is saying, whether it be from immediate completion (the new "Bonus" they're talking about), or indirectly with awesome Rewards / Items from Faction Guildleves and Guild Marks (which would require Guildleves to be completed to gain Faction Credits or Guild Marks)).

[AngryNixon]

Like I said earlier unless further adjustment are made to go alongside this then this is a bad idea. Imagine if you will, you no longer get SP/EXP until the end of the Leve, ok so we all complete our abandoned leves and get our reward. Reset roles around and none of the good leves come up, then what. Your party also has all different leves as that is how they have turned up from the reset, great now we have a bunch of crappy Leve's to do and hardly any links. Without further adjustments to rewards and Leve selection this will be very bad.

Alexia in this 'worst case' scenario you raise I simply wouldn't do leves, until such time as a worthwhile set came up. Also to Kallera who said you are someone who complains there is nothing to do, that comment holds no water. Of course there's nothing to do. The point of leves is to get you SP (and some other junk on the side as secondary rewards that many people could care less about). If you can only do a limited amount of them for some set period of time and there are more leves in existence than you can do in that given period of time, you'll gravitate towards the most efficient ones. The rest, practically speaking, don't exist.

[Kallera]

Alexia in this 'worst case' scenario you raise I simply wouldn't do leves, until such time as a worthwhile set came up. Also to Kallera who said you are someone who complains there is nothing to do, that comment holds no water. Of course there's nothing to do. The point of leves is to get you SP (and some other junk on the side as secondary rewards that many people could care less about). If you can only do a limited amount of them for some set period of time and there are more leves in existence than you can do in that given period of time, you'll gravitate towards the most efficient ones. The rest, practically speaking, don't exist.

Well, I'm sure people will be tickled pink about the idea of doing "dunesfolk for dinner" for the rest of their gaming lives.

Well, why not? Its only exp. Fun shouldn't be something that we have to look for. It should all be a stones throw from us, the only thing that gives the highest numbers. We can have fun when were all 50 and on the forums. /sarcasm

[AlexiaKidd]

Well, I'm sure people will be tickled pink about the idea of doing "dunefolk for dinner" for the rest ofntheir gaming lives.

Well that is the entire point though isn't it, the fact that the only content in the game atm is Leves and we have been doing them since September, there is something seriously wrong with that.

Actually that's a bit of a lie, at launch until the great party SP/EXP nerf of Nov. 2010 most people would group up and do grind parties. It was only after they killed that and boosted Leves that it became Leves or nothing, though you still have good old Dobs and Cobs to solo on but then they nerfed that too so it's Leves or nothing atm.

[zaviermhigo]

Failing leves isn't an exploit, but it is retarded. So in a game where really the only two things to do are fight stuff and get gear somehow (crafting, buying, earning), so you make getting the rank more important and you get sp by failing leves. I have like 700 faction cred is all i'm not worried, i'll fail leves out the ass if i need too, but now that i have new people in my linkshell they're not gonna want to fail leves because they need faction cred to do faction leves, one of the only things of "content" we have. So what happens, you're stuck leveling like a effin retard completing leves for poor sp, just so someone can get their faction cred. They should balance this, seriously, guildleves are a stupid invention if they're technically better failed than passed, and this is coming from someone who did fail all leves everday till i had a journal full of fails. Balance guildleves, make most guildleves good, or make grinding off of mobs viable. I'm really effing tired of FFXIV being about "making your own play style" and all they have done is limit the way people have to play this game. If you don't feel it thats just effing wow.

[Kallera]

Well that is the entire point though isn't it, the fact that the only content in the game atm is Leves and we have been doing them since September, there is something seriously wrong with that.

My point is were you doing different leves? Or difficult leves? I heard a no to the first, and "we should only do efficient leves, together" on the second. I'd like to do different stuff too. But people are sacrificing doing something NEW with the leves, to a mad rush to 50.

[AlexiaKidd]

My point is were you doing different leves? Or difficult leves? I heard a no to the first, and "we should only do efficient leves, together" on the second. I'd like to do different stuff too. But people are sacrificing doing something NEW with the leves, to a mad rush to 50.

Believe me I have probably done every single leve at every single camp in the game and there is not much difference apart from some absolutely terrible ones (I am looking at you Defence Leves ><) and the ones that net you the most SP. I currently have 999 Faction credits in all 3 factions and I want for nothing in the game as I have everything I need, the only thing I do is level my battle classes.

I do go out and grind sometimes with some fellow troops but the problem is that the amount of SP you earn grinding compared to what you can earn with abandoned leves makes it seem completely pointless. As Zaviermhigo just said if you can earn more by failing there is something wrong with the system and I agree, but just shifting the SP to be gained at the end without making further adjustments to the Leve system is a recipe for disaster.

I wouldn't say I am in a mad rush to 50 but I guess it I probably am, it's just that I have nothing else to do in game apart from get SP, and if I am getting SP I want to get it the most efficient way possible so as best to utilise my time in game. At the minute that way is Leve abandoning as I can earn 100K SP in 2 hours, so unless a grind camp comes along and offer somewhere in the region of 40k SP an hour I wouldn't even look at it really but the truth is the best camps only offer around 20k an hour so it is miles behind.

[Rentahamster]

apart from some absolutely terrible ones (I am looking at you Defence Leves ><)

Oh god yes. Whoever designed defense leves should be fired and then publicly shamed.

That kind of horrible game design is completely mind boggling.

[Xenor]

Oh god yes. Whoever designed defense leves should be fired and then publicly shamed.

That kind of horrible game design is completely mind boggling.

The worst part is the concept behind the defence leve is great. They have so much potential if done right. Mobs should be constantly coming for you until the time runs out. You should have a new group aggro you before you finish off the first group. No retarded 3 minute waits between the first mob and the second.

[AlexiaKidd]

The worst part is the concept behind the defence leve is great. They have so much potential if done right. Mobs should be constantly coming for you until the time runs out. You should have a new group aggro you before you finish off the first group. No retarded 3 minute waits between the first mob and the second.

Exactly, it is a good concept but the execution is terrible, I have actually fallen asleep waiting for the second "wave" to attack before lol