Honestly, let SE make as much money as they can.

[Ikeda]

I'm not even sure what you're talking about anymore.

You really can't say I'm OK with retainers but No to cash shop because Retainers and Phantasia honestly, are cash shop items.

If you are OK with Retainers and Phantasia then it supports my original point a couple of pages back that it all lies in its implementation and to dispell the fearmongering of cash shop = doom and gloom.

I'm ok with retainers because as someone who played FFXI for years I'm used to having to pay extra for more storage (I don't plan on buying a retainer either way). I'm ok with Phantasia because it's literally just a paid character recreation/race change service that have been in P2P mmos since pretty much the beginning just with the difference of it being a in-game item you use to trigger it. All that other crap I'm not ok with were never part of mmos until F2P mmos came around and a few P2P companies got big headed and thought they could get away with that on top of charging a subscription. As I've said numerous times it has been proven over the past few years that the very large majority of P2P mmos that have attempted that have failed for it.