Honestly, let SE make as much money as they can.

[KhalidTheGreat]

if you plan to troll, you might as well end it here. The information is way way back then, it is no longer a news or something surpise for most ppl but I guess, I was wrong

I'm not trolling. If you know something I don't then please enlighten me.

[Shneibel]

So as I understand you dont have any problem with cash shops?
Then you're not defending this retainer issue because it's not like f2p shops. It's because you don't mind the idea of them in the first place.

If that's the case then I respect your opinion, but I disagree.

if you go back a few page, I already stop write comment about Vanity Market (this is cash shop) because other ppl already explain their point of view about why there should not be Vannity Market in the game and I agree with their point.

From my point of view, the retainer is a service just like Fantasia or server transfer. So I dont know how you can view it as cash shop

I'm not trolling. If you know something I don't then please enlighten me.

you dont pay for expansion

[KhalidTheGreat]

extra retainers are for a slight increase in convenience and does not affect core gameplay, the examples you gave made it necessary to purchase cash shop item if you wish to have any hope completing content, the same obviously isn't true with retainers

those examples you gave made it that players 'need' to purchase them.
counterparts

Slight as it might be, it's still the of the same principle.

And the examples aren't necessary to purchase. You could actually keep going without them. But they make it more convenient the other way till you think "wth, i'll just buy the set and get done with it".

[XiaoliVorgan]

Retainers aren't really needed. We only got 1 in 1.0 and only had 50 slots or something at the start.
They should just drop 2nd retainers and just make 1 retainer hold 200 items, sell 40 items, 1 venture option.
If people just need more space toss out your junk or sell it. Most of your crafting mats only go for 10~50gil each anyway.
Your Armor bag is enough space for all your jobs you play for gear. SE just need toget on top of storage stuff for events also.
Also make features to burn through old useless pieces of gear. SB Primal Weapons, Dungeon Gear, etc..

Name change should be free & always option when changing to another server. No need to create another character for it anymore...
Name changes to same server will lead to problems of people that have been ousted by the players on that server.

Fantasia should only be 2.99/4.99. If any higher I wouldnt buy them.

The retainer idea is pretty good, I like having 2, but I if I could have just one with all the space of two, it would be great. Only issue I have with retainers is the fact that so much event stuff has to take up retainer space until they patch it in so you can put it into the armoire. I'm always worried another event will come out and I won't be able to collect the stuff like the hoarder I am, because I won't have the space to put it in a retainer until a patch update allows it into the armoire.

Also, I'd hate to have to discard some of my collected gear like darklight or CT because theres no room anywhere for it.

This game is definately not collector friendly.

Also, if they do start to charge for fantasia, you can betcha it'll probably be 10-15 bucks, if not 20-25 bucks. 3-5 bucks would be nice but then every joe whose got 20 bucks they want to burn would be buying a fantasia in bundles and changing their appearance willy nilly at every turn.

It might sound like good money making, but it'll probably bring more headache than they want. I could be wrong though, you can never tell what they are gonna do next.

[KhalidTheGreat]

if you go back a few page, I already stop write comment about Vanity Market (this is cash shop) because other ppl already explain their point of view about why there should not be Vannity Market in the game and I agree with their point.

From my point of view, the retainer is a service just like Fantasia or server transfer. So I dont know how you can view it as cash shop

The retainer is an in-game privilege over others.

The server transfer IS a service and I agree with you with this point.

The fantasia potion in my opinion shouldn't be a cash shop item. But I there should be restrictions in using them (like only used once every 6 months or so). But That's just my opinion.

[ReiszRie]

Slight as it might be, it's still the of the same principle.

And the examples aren't necessary to purchase. You could actually keep going without them. But they make it more convenient the other way till you think "wth, i'll just buy the set and get done with it".

So, can i say that your argument against extra retainers are based off principles and not rationale?

those examples you've given are clearly items that falls under the category of need, to elaborate, its basically items that if you do not possess, makes a player suffer a major disadvantage or create immense inconvenience, they are punitive items, items designed to punish players for not having them.

extra retainers are certainly optional, I have 3 crafting classes and TBH, even if extra retainers are given free, I still have no use for them as my current retainers still have sufficient space, there are no "punishment" for not having extra retainers

[Shneibel]

The retainer is an in-game privilege over others.

it is a privilege that everyone have and they can say yes or no is up to their decision and they can always change the decision they maked, it is not permanent. So it is fair for all

[KhalidTheGreat]

you dont pay for expansion

So?
I want info that says my sub money is only for 2.0 and not for future patches.

@ReiszRie
But you still can make it without them, right?
Then it's back to optional and not necessary.

@Shneibel
So pay more and get more.
That's not fair unless everyone in the game either have them or dont have them.

Also some might not be able / willing to pay for it.

At the end guys it goes back to this:
Whoever pays more will get a privilege over others in-game.
Little or big, it's still an in-game privilege just because you payed more money.

I mean, I might as well just say that RMT is an optional service that provides a more convenient way to acquire a house.

[Zwipe]

If you really think it's just about being cheap, you're the one failing to grasp the other side of the argument here....(edited for room)
... paying a subscription...of being nickel and dimed...but acting like people against this type of transaction in a pay to play game are either cheapos or "conspiracy theorists" (wherever you got that from) is just being willfully ignorant.

you're the conspiracy theorist i'm talking about. over-analyzing. And ignorant the fact that people are being cheap.

FTP games give you a smaller bag and fill it up with needless junk or lockboxes every time you loot a few mobs that you get the "inventory full" sign more often then it should, to the point where it slows down gameplay. That does not happen in this game. You have plenty of storage, and are not being hindered for not having extra retainers. The only way you will run out of storage is if you needlessly hoard.

Does one really need to keep a stack of 99 aldgoat leather "in case they need it" 6 months from now? Are these mats really that hard to come by? Of course not.

If you cannot see that, then you my friend are the one being willfully ignorant.

[ReiszRie]

So?
I want info that says my sub money is only for 2.0 and not for future patches.

@ReiszRie
But you still can make it without them, right?
Then it's back to optional and not necessary.

If you had read and taken into account the entirety of my post, you'd have have understood that it was a simply a logical argument meant to point out the fallacy of how a monthly sub does not equate to "you are entitled to everything for free"

We're just going around in circles unless you're legitimately open to the arguments raised and not simply use semantics to form the basis of your rebuttals