Honestly, let SE make as much money as they can.

[Kaaylryn]

I know of a free to play game that has a separate tab just for crafting storage that allows you to store 250 of every single crafting item in the game "in case you need it 6 months from now" that is available to everyone from day one with no purchases necessary, so this argument that FFXIV is somehow different from "FTP games" as an all encompassing statement is complete bull, for starters. Snip for space.

I know the game you speak of and always felt the crafting storage system was a stroke of genius. The rest of the game not so much, but that kind of storage system especially for a F2P game was impressive. As I previously stated, FFXIV is the first P2P game I have played where additional storage is considered a service to be paid for and not acquired via in game currency. Not able to mail to alts is another thing I have never experienced in any other game. I guess I am still flabbergasted by these archaic concepts.

[Amberion]

Off topic:

make quality FF games

They haven't been able to do that since the merger with Enix. After that, the games became more linear with each new one released.


BTW, anyone else dislike the voice acting in newer games making it so you can't rename the characters?

[Zwipe]

I know of a free to play game...(edit for space)

GW2 has the same thing. We can store 99 items into one slot as well. Do you really need to store 250 of an item? OF COURSE NOT. Convenient? Yes. Game-Breaking? No. Big difference between the two, easy to understand right? Apparently not.

because the issue here isn't whether this game's pay wall restrictions are better than a FTP game's pay wall restrictions, but whether you agree with a subscription based game having pay wall restrictions to begin with.

The only "wall restrictions" are the ones in your head because there is nothing restricting about the amount of storage space we already have. I'd understand and might possibly agree if our current storage is hindering and slowing down gameplay,but it is not. Like I said before, the ones complaining about simply want more convenience but don't want to pay, playing victim to something for free...to simplify...CHEAP.

[Doo]

, the ones complaining about simply want more convenience but don't want to pay, playing victim to something for free...to simplify...CHEAP.

Dear god, convenience in a p2p game, the horror.

What next? Charging players extra to have an additional 200 blacklist space for convenience?

I can see it now

RMT spam doesn't effect your game play!
You can just delete the 50 top ones because they are most likely gone.
Why are you hoarding gil spammer names?!?!

[Zwipe]

Dear god, convenience in a p2p game, the horror.

What next? Charging players extra to have an additional 200 blacklist space for convenience?

I can see it now

RMT spam doesn't effect your game play!
You can just delete the 50 top ones because they are most likely gone.
Why are you hoarding gil spammer names?!?!

"But a gil spammer might use the same name 6 months from now." lol

[Susanoh]

GW2 has the same thing. We can store 99 items into one slot as well. Do you really need to store 250 of an item? OF COURSE NOT. Convenient? Yes. Game-Breaking? No. Big difference between the two, easy to understand right? Apparently not.
The only "wall restrictions" are the ones in your head because there is nothing restricting about the amount of storage space we already have. I'd understand and might possibly agree if our current storage is hindering and slowing down gameplay,but it is not. Like I said before, the ones complaining about simply want more convenience but don't want to pay, playing victim to something for free...to simplify...CHEAP.

No one said it was "game breaking," that's not a factor and never was. Implying that this is somehow "hard it understand" is embarrassing. You're not bringing any new information to the table. What you're saying is just completely irrelevant to the discussion.

It's not a "wall restriction," by the way, I said "pay wall restriction" but I'm guessing you aren't familiar with the term. It's a restriction placed on characters who decide not to pay extra money, which this clearly is. To say it's "in my head" is asinine. People who pay more money get effectively double inventory slots, double selling power on a single character, and whatever benefits may come with the new venture system. People who pay less money get half the inventory and selling power on a single character, and may or may not be at a disadvantage during ventures depending on how this works. No matter how you want to look at it, whether you're a "glass half full" or a "glass half empty" kind of guy, this is a restriction that can be lifted by throwing more cash at the developers.

[Manuka]

The only "wall restrictions" are the ones in your head because there is nothing restricting about the amount of storage space we already have. I'd understand and might possibly agree if our current storage is hindering and slowing down gameplay,but it is not.

The funny thing is you may not realize it, but that is exactly why SE are considering this now and not later. Generally companies make predictions of how well a product will be going into the future and make modifications to increase its longevity while milking as much profit in the process. For ffxiv I'd say that it has a solid 1-2 years of 'guaranteed profit' so with that in mind, what's an easy way of garnering profits? Retainers. You are correct that the current storage is sufficient if you aren't cluttering it up with useless mats but what about after 1-2 years of content? Between new mats, recipes, seasonal outifts that cant be placed in the armoire and glamours you'll find yourself, in time, that the current storage is horribly limited. However by adding paid retainers at a time when space isn't a terrible problem, the community blacklash and loss in profit will be minimal but will only increase going into the future. So come the time that you genuinely need retainers the community at large will have gotten used to them as a paid service (I believe this is called conditioning in psychology). And you know what the really funny thing is? SE wont even have to defend or justify itself come that time since they'll have the old fallback "we can't offer free retainers as it wouldn't be fair to those who've paid for so long" and those very people will also defend their terrible investment by becoming SE's unpaid public defense force.

[Ikeda]

Give me a freaking brake!

SquareEnix develops the FFXIV ARR gaming product and service. We all consume this product and service. They may change the product and service as they see fit. We might have some influence over how they make changes to FFXIV, but we certainly do not controll what they are allowed to develop and/or not develop or offer as a service!

If SE wanted to, they could develop and release a patch that would turn the game as we know it upside down. That would more than likely be a bad business decision, so we will probably not see that happen. However, if something like that were to happen, it would and could be done by SE's will... not ours.

Ultimately when it comes down to it, here is our choice as gamers: Consume (play and subscribe) the game or choose not to.

They're free to "change the game as they see fit" the same way they're free to suffer the consequences for braindead decisions. If they add "paid services" other than what that post you quoted said they'll be stepping out of P2P territory and into double dipping their customers territory. Every single mmo except for WoW that has attempted that has very quickly died or gone F2P because people go to P2P mmos specifically to avoid that corporate greed bs. If they can't learn from the fact that countless mmos have failed over the past 9-10 years for trying to double dip their customers or blindly copying WoW and avoid doing that then they deserve the inevitable failure of their game.

[Zwipe]

The funny thing is you may not realize it, but that is exactly why SE are considering this now and not later....(edit)... SE wont even have to defend or justify itself come that time since they'll have the old fallback "we can't offer free retainers as it wouldn't be fair to those who've paid for so long" and those very people will also defend their terrible investment by becoming SE's unpaid public defense force.

Interesting point you make there. If that time DOES come that space becomes an issue, whether it be 2 years or 2 months, You would just have to ask yourself the same question as you would now, "Do I really need to keep all of this?" If you do, fine...buy another retainer. If not, then get rid of some of the extra baggage. SE is not forcing you keep every single thing you accumulate.

[Doo]

"Do I really need to keep all of this?" If you do, fine...buy another retainer. If not, then get rid of some of the extra baggage. SE is not forcing you keep every single thing you accumulate.

Awww yes, the decisions of a free to play game. Whether or not I need to buy more inventory.