Is anyone else really disappointed with the nerfs coming in 2.2?

[ispano]

Everyone enjoys different things, casuals=FUN, hardcore=Challenge.

Very poor way to label. The correct way is Casuals = Fun, Hardcore = Fun. The problem with how you did it is you label Hardcore players as not having fun, when in fact, the challenge is what MAKES it fun. If there's no challenge, it's the same as watching TV. ie Fun is subjective. Everyone plays a game to have fun, your fun isn't the same as everyone elses.

[ZephyrAM]

Very poor way to label. The correct way is Casuals = Fun, Hardcore = Fun. The problem with how you did it is you label Hardcore players as not having fun, when in fact, the challenge is what MAKES it fun. If there's no challenge, it's the same as watching TV. ie Fun is subjective. Everyone plays a game to have fun, your fun isn't the same as everyone elses.

There is a difference here though. A hardcore player 'will' push through something, even if they don't enjoy it, to achieve a goal. They may enjoy a good challenge, but they're there to achieve.

A 'casual' will likely just go elsewhere for enjoyment. Everything is about the fun. If it isn't fun, it's not worth doing.

[Jynx]

Everything is about the fun. If it isn't fun, it's not worth doing.

Sometimes the challenge is the fun, not the acheivment from "Pushing" through it. Just the challenge to many people is also what they consider to be the "Fun" part. Your on a roll on painting really broad strokes today.

[Axlle10]

Very poor way to label. The correct way is Casuals = Fun, Hardcore = Fun. The problem with how you did it is you label Hardcore players as not having fun, when in fact, the challenge is what MAKES it fun. If there's no challenge, it's the same as watching TV. ie Fun is subjective. Everyone plays a game to have fun, your fun isn't the same as everyone elses.

quoting everyone else here as it seems nerfing it ie. the challenge seems to be such a huge deal. challenge and fun are two very different things that yes, can be related. It was a very loosley based terminology which im assuming you did not get.

casuals are here for the fun of being with others and being able to complete content eventually with friends as most elitist make them feel bad because they are not as skilled as them.
hardcores are here for the fun of having a challenge and pushing themselves to the limit.

is that better for you to understand my reasoning?

and as far as the buff goes Yoshi did say that it was totally optional and you would be able to remove it should you seek the challenge you all crave oh so much.

[delphinius81]

casuals are here for the fun of being with others and being able to complete content eventually with friends as most elitist make them feel bad because they are not as skilled as them.
hardcores are here for the fun of having a challenge and pushing themselves to the limit.

I'd agree, except that casual does not necessarily mean unskilled. I hate that association. Many people that are casual now, used to be hardcore. They just don't have the time or desire to do that anymore. That doesn't mean they can't quickly learn fights, if people are willing to give a run more than one wipe before a "fu newb" rage quit by the self-proclaimed "hardcore elite." Most people that are "casuals" would be more than happy to do content at the current difficulty level if the "hardcore" would stop berating people that haven't already done a fight 100 times.

[MicahZerrshia]

Most people that are "casuals" would be more than happy to do content at the current difficulty level if the "hardcore" would stop berating people that haven't already done a fight 100 times.

Actually I find the casual groups more hard on ppl than the elitists. Even in pt and fc recruitments you quite often see "no hardcore elitist jerks" but you seldom see the flip side. I know much of the content and am always willing to help out players who are learning but if you put something to this effect in any of your msgs you get nothing from me. And the rage quitters I normally encounter are those who want to be carried and if you wipe a couple times they quit. Its a two way street, really tired of the non hardcore crowd making only us look like the jerks.

What the more casual groups do not understand most the time is sometimes, like you, we just want to get our win and be done so we can log out or move on, we don't want to teach or carry someone every single time we put up party finder. That's why groups check progression or kick if you are wiping the group or holding them back. There are many hardcore individuals and fcs who are out there and willing to help you learn or progress but you need to not have such an automatic bad attitude toward them.

Same goes in a fc. I am here and willing to help but sometimes you just need to wait cause I cannot drop everything and run to your side to guide you thru a dungeon or primal because you have to work in an hour. I'm not saying all hardcores are nice, there are the jerks out there. But please don't assume we are all like that. There are good and bad on both sides, its just that its more acceptable for us to get berated.

[Nosiahk]

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Amen! I can't disagree at all. Same way I feel about players who are quick to judge.