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    Third you need a person who has been tainted by the Ascian's teachings sufficiently enough to be able to actually summon the beast in the first place. Otherwise you won't be able to summon it to begin with.

    Point is, a Summoner who never learned the Ascian's Ritual for summoning a Primal is not going to be able to do it, and the number of Crystals we have access to is not sufficient to even attract a Primals attention. Nor is there any reason why we would bother with Tempering countless individuals as we are heroes not villains.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tharian View Post
    Third you need a person who has been tainted by the Ascian's teachings sufficiently enough to be able to actually summon the beast in the first place. Otherwise you won't be able to summon it to begin with.

    Point is, a Summoner who never learned the Ascian's Ritual for summoning a Primal is not going to be able to do it, and the number of Crystals we have access to is not sufficient to even attract a Primals attention. Nor is there any reason why we would bother with Tempering countless individuals as we are heroes not villains.
    There are races other than the Ascians that know how to Summon Primals ie the Allagan empire secondly I stated we have enough aether and crystals from the story to summon the primal for 30s. Also according to lore a single Allagan Summoner had the power to summon the Primals and bind them to their will and since we are resurrected Allagan Summoner's can get an ability to subjugate the Primals
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    Quote Originally Posted by Akiza View Post
    There are races other than the Ascians that know how to Summon Primals ie the Alligan empire secondly I stated we have enough aether and crystals from the story to summon the primal for 30s. Beside according to the story Summoner's of old we're able to summon the primal as well as bind it's essence to its will.

    Its true that you don't need to be corrupted by the Ascians to summon primals (They just know the 'best' way to do so). However, we don't have any crystals beside's the primal crystal drops, which you can't actually use because they need to stay intact for the story. Also, there is, to my knowledge, no examples of Summoner's being able to bring forth Primals by themselves. The story implies that Summoners of old could group together to summon full fledged primals, but they did so exactly like the Beast Tribes do - By collecting massive amounts of crystals (Think 50 dump trucks, not what you can fit in your backpack) and through distributive summoning (More Summoners then you can actually fit into a party).

    If you have lore proof to the contrary, please provide it. Otherwise, you're just making things up.

    Quote Originally Posted by Akiza View Post
    They should add more pet buffs to the Summoner and add more abilities to the Egis. Considering the Egis have 8 slots on the pet bar they should add 4 more pet abilities to add diversity to the Egis. Also the Egis should be redesigned to look like smaller versions of their parent primal because right now they look worse then Pokemon and Carbuncle and Topaz look way more detailed.
    Buffing the pet and nerfing the Summoner is something we don't want. Unless you can provide balancing reasons to do so, this is just a personal wish that'll never happen.

    As for the design, no. The Egis are 'Essence of Primal' (Which is exactly what they look like), not mini Primals. Carbuncles look more detailed because it is what it is - a very specific, designed to the detail construct.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bombast View Post
    Its true that you don't need to be corrupted by the Ascians to summon primals (They just know the 'best' way to do so). However, we don't have any crystals beside's the primal crystal drops, which you can't actually use because they need to stay intact for the story. Also, there is, to my knowledge, no examples of Summoner's being able to bring forth Primals by themselves. The story implies that Summoners of old could group together to summon full fledged primals, but they did so exactly like the Beast Tribes do - By collecting massive amounts of crystals (Think 50 dump trucks, not what you can fit in your backpack) and through distributive summoning (More Summoners then you can actually fit into a party).
    Summoner's of old according to Final Fantasy XIV Wiki had immeasurable power and could summon Primals single handedly. We are the resurrected Allagan Summoner's but we lost a lot of our knowledge
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    Quote Originally Posted by Akiza View Post
    Summoner's of old according to Final Fantasy XIV Wiki had immeasurable power and could summon Primals single handedly. We are the resurrected Allagan Summoner's but we lost a lot of our knowledge
    First of all, wikis are not factual.

    Second of all
    In times immemorial, there lived mages who had not only the power to summon the primals, but also the means to transmute the primals' essences, thus binding them to their will. Known simply as summoners, the existence of these men and women and their arcane art have been all but lost to the ages.
    Nowhere it does it say single handedly. In fact it only mentions multiples. You have some skewed reading comprehension or selective as hell memory.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bombast View Post
    Buffing the pet and nerfing the Summoner is something we don't want. Unless you can provide balancing reasons to do so, this is just a personal wish that'll never happen.
    Adding Pet Buff skills to the Summoner and adding more pet abilities won't screw up balance in fact it would bring Summoner's up to Black Mages level
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    Quote Originally Posted by Akiza View Post
    Summoner's of old according to Final Fantasy XIV Wiki had immeasurable power and could summon Primals single handedly. We are the resurrected Allagan Summoner's but we lost a lot of our knowledge
    Source please.

    Quote Originally Posted by Akiza View Post
    Adding Pet Buff skills to the Summoner and adding more pet abilities won't screw up balance in fact it would bring Summoner's up to Black Mages level
    Oh, I get it, you're trolling.

    This makes sense now.
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