I hate the idea of Echo Buff. It should be part of some easy server not whole game.

[Musashidon]

honestly people who can 1 shot these bosses will never use it, the time it would take to build this up would be longer then the time to just 1 shot the bosses, really the buffs are to help encourage players to stay like if i queue for titan hm and we wiped at heart because we were alittle to slow bam there is 10% enough to push us past and give us alittle boost.

[Djeserit]

honestly people who can 1 shot these bosses will never use it, the time it would take to build this up would be longer then the time to just 1 shot the bosses, really the buffs are to help encourage players to stay like if i queue for titan hm and we wiped at heart because we were alittle to slow bam there is 10% enough to push us past and give us alittle boost.

This guy gets it. A majority of people won't intentionally max out the buff, they'll just use it when needed as per this example.

[Tonkra]

This guy gets it. A majority of people won't intentionally max out the buff, they'll just use it when needed as per this example.

the thing is, that you do not "use" it actually.. it comes along automatically... but well

honestly people who can 1 shot these bosses will never use it, the time it would take to build this up would be longer then the time to just 1 shot the bosses, really the buffs are to help encourage players to stay like if i queue for titan hm and we wiped at heart because we were alittle to slow bam there is 10% enough to push us past and give us alittle boost.

and for others 2 times and for others its the 3rd time.

but really isnt that a point where a good team play and equipment is becoming irrelevant?
in the past we needed 15 times to beat a boss encounter and now we need maximum 5? or so to say? ;XD

well lets see how it will work out...

[Musashidon]

the thing is, that you do not "use" it actually.. it comes along automatically... but well



and for others 2 times and for others its the 3rd time.

but really isnt that a point where a good team play and equipment is becoming irrelevant?

you would be right if we got a op echo buff on all content but, leviathan and mog ex will not have this boost, coil 6-9 will not have this boost and township will not have this boost.

so there is still content that requires you to try.

[SpookyGhost]

was i talking about coil?

by the way, when you quote. quote correctly... this isnt a quote actually in your posting..

Sorry, I didn't realize I needed to quote your whole post wherein you repeat "OMG 50% SO BAD WTF SE" 10 times. I thought a summary would've sufficed.

The purpose of the Echo buff is to allow players who previously couldn't tackle the content (aka uber casuals) to progress through it. Those people deserve to get through the content - they pay the same money you do every month to play this game, if they choose not to be stopped by lack of skill to progress then they shouldn't be stopped. Something to consider, however, is that no matter how much of a buff they get, a Landslide will still knock them to 0 HP for the rest of the fight. The only difference is that they can make more mistakes and require less gear. They also need to make it 3 minutes into the fight to actually GAIN the Echo buff - so that, in and of itself, is a skill/gear barrier.

[Emtron]

Its funny how this thread is still going sad really that others fill like something they may or may not effect how they play the game, is going to effect how other play and enjoy the game. All I have to say is if you leave can I have your stuff.

[Emtron]

The purpose of the Echo buff is to allow players who previously couldn't tackle the content (aka uber casuals) to progress through it. Those people deserve to get through the content - they pay the same money you do every month to play this game, if they choose not to be stopped by lack of skill to progress then they shouldn't be stopped.

Truer words were never spoken.

[Craiger]

It's only on "old" content... I don't see the big problem.

The way people are talking about this echo buff, it sounds like you think it will apply to all content in the game.... When 2.2 comes out, everyone will quickly farm up full ilvl90 and try to beat T5. Most people will still not be able to beat T5 until at least 2 weeks, when the echo buff is added to Coil. Even then many won't make it.

When the majority of players finally beat T5 because of echo buff, the people that really want that extra challenge will already be well into doing the new 2.2 content, which will not have any echo.

As I see it, everyone gets what they want....

More hardcore players will quickly move on to 2.2 content, and because of how they are implementing the echo buff, they will get a "head-start" over the others.

The "medium-core" players (lol), will be able to quickly fill their gaps to ilvl90 (if they need it), and then get to try T5 for real, before the echo buff is there. Even if they don't make it, they get to try it out.... Then they can finally beat it with the echo buff.

The casual players, who don't want to have that level of difficulty, will get what they want, they will have a much easier time beating the content, which they will probably appreciate.... Also, the players that have progressed further, shouldn't even bother with the fact that everyone is beating that old content so easy now, because they are busy tackling Coil 2.0 or something, which they know these players won't get to do for some time.

[Erepio]

heres a thought get into your ilvl70 gear or whatever u want and
STEP 1:
a) do a PF group with the requirement of no echo used
b) find a group of likeminded ppl and do a static no echo grp

STEP 2:
get into coil or hm/ex remove the echo buff if/when needed

STEP 3:
Enjoy the challenge

[Tonkra]

The purpose of the Echo buff is to allow players who previously couldn't tackle the content (aka uber casuals) to progress through it. Those people deserve to get through the content - they pay the same money you do every month to play this game, if they choose not to be stopped by lack of skill to progress then they shouldn't be stopped. Something to consider, however, is that no matter how much of a buff they get, a Landslide will still knock them to 0 HP for the rest of the fight. The only difference is that they can make more mistakes and require less gear. They also need to make it 3 minutes into the fight to actually GAIN the Echo buff - so that, in and of itself, is a skill/gear barrier.

you talk to a "casual" player (i just started right now with Garuda EX, although i play since 1.0. beta)


i dont come from WoW or something like that... i never was a hardcore MMORPG player who had every item that has a drop rate of 1% or something like it (i remember FFXI times^) nor did i beat every hardcore boss in every game. although i payed for it! what kind of argument is that? its a game.
and there are different difficulties for every bosses.

Although i did pay for several MMorpgs in the past (e.g. Final Fantasy XI,DAoC, Lineage II etc.) My mentality was never like "oh i pay for this game every month, so i should be able to defeat that huge 6 head dragon who only 10% of the players defeated yet"..


i personally do not understand this mentality. im ok with it, that every player deserves to come through the story and beat the normale modes. but MUST every player INCLUDING ME be able to defeat the hardest, most extreme boss in the game? regardless of equipment or player "skill"...?

im ok with it if i am not being able to defeat Bahamut one day... and if only 10% of the player base is able to defeat him. and when i am able to defeat him after 20 tries the "wow effect" is even bigger.


but well its maybe just me... modern fastfood mmorpgs. im okay with the idea to push casual players, here you have a fatigue boost, here you have 15% damage boost. but oosh...



and hey... even in Final Fantasy 7 HD port they implemented an instant boost button ;XD


i am okay with it having rare items (5%-10%), rare bosses, hardcore bosses in a game... although i most likely wont have them... but hey there is something special for everybody to aim for.