I hate the idea of Echo Buff. It should be part of some easy server not whole game.

[Mitternacht]

As others have stated the purpose of the Echo buff is to help bring newer or less progress players up to speed with current content. The content that is having Echo applied is being made irrelevant in 2.2 save to gate access to 2.2 coil and EX trials. It's not like this isn't something that has been a known fact for some time now.

If it didn't take an untoward amount of development resources I would suggest they create a series of normalized versions of the instances that synchronize effective item level to the recommended minimum, require to queued as a full party, don't have Echo, and force the 2-2-4 comp. Add in a series of associated achievements with a title and vanity reward. There, an incentive for those who already did it and a challenge for those who haven't done it before the Echo.

[SirTaint]

Why would an elitist even care? They are capped on primal weapons. Their main jobs have been i90 for months.

The only items they might still want drop from Twin and his drops will no longer be BiS.

Bring on the Echo those same people that need it will still be struggling with The new content.

[Raeletta]

I'm happy it is at least only activated after failure.

Still don't like it, but it could've been much worse.

[whoopeeragon]

Echo buff won't save you from landslide.

Echo buff won't save you from twisters.

Echo buff won't save you from primal 2 hour without killing sisters/heart/nails.

[Mitternacht]

Ten percent of the playerbase having cleared turn 5 is incredibly generous. I would say less than one percent is closer to reality.

[KaiserFire]

I don't think "quit or get better" is a very good business strategy for SE. I'm not for or against the Echo Buff, but it is smart of them to keep as many players as possible progressing through their content with each update. Not to mention that without the segment of the population that some people around here refer to as "being bad", there wouldn't be a game to play at all. As a developer, SE has to consider the needs of the entire community. It would be nice if players did not lose sight of the big picture and retreat into their own little corners whenever these updates/balance issues come up.

[Amberion]

It would be nice if players did not lose sight of the big picture and retreat into their own little corners whenever these updates/balance issues come up.

If these issues continue piling up, eventually that player and like minded people will leave. And well, if they don't express their concerns, S-E would have no clue why they suddenly lose customers.

Not to mention that without the segment of the population that some people around here refer to as "being bad"

Sure it would, there are many games that don't cater as hard to "bads" as S-E. SE has taken it to an extreme IMO.
Well... maybe the game wouldn't be here. It's to Theme Park/Dress Up Barbie for it to drive in that crowd that would have played.

[Pibz]

Who cares? You can disable it, its obsolete content anyway the small(really small) % that will be running it for fun will just disable it if they want.

[Alexander_Dragonfang]

People speaks of turn it on/off. But when you do it, it is just for yourself or the whole party?

Cause, if im with the buff turned off, but the other 7 players are running it on, content still gets dumbeddown. And is sad, cause i don`t like to race content, im fine and happy being in T4 for like 3 weeks already, i just started coil like 1 and half month ago. Now, it looks like i have to race against the updates so i dont get catched by the echo, cause even if i choose not to use it, everyone else, with the mentality of "path of less resistance" will use it. If anything, we will soon be reading PF like "no echo-kick."

Well, i guess this forces players to group with a-like people even more, so, instead of helping the DF, it just hurts it, because i belive a good chunk of people don`t want to try HM/EX or the first 5 turns of coil with 50%, or 30% or 25% more HP/DMG/Healing buffed partners, which is, not even a buff... Is plain broken. Well, all FF have always had one broken mechanic/character, i guess this is no exception.

[Khronikos]

I also am not sure about this mechanic at all. I hope what we see isn't total easy mode.