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    Yeah. If a tank is doing more damage than a dps, something is wrong. But instead of bullying and belittling, you could say something like, "are you doing this? Is this in your combo?" Could take a moment to ask what is going wrong and offer suggestions.

    Yeah, you maybe shouldn't have to teach someone their job at titan ex. But in a perfect world, wouldn't need parsers either. If you can't or don't want to teach and it is such a problem for you, as I said; run with your fc and only your fc.

    Either way, it is a risk you are taking. If you wanna parse when it's not allowed and bully someone over it, and have them report you, that's fully your choice. No one to blame but yourself. Can say they need to grow thicker skin all you want. Won't fix anything.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shyluv View Post
    Yeah. If a tank is doing more damage than a dps, something is wrong. But instead of bullying and belittling, you could say something like, "are you doing this? Is this in your combo?" Could take a moment to ask what is going wrong and offer suggestions.

    Yeah, you maybe shouldn't have to teach so
    Either way, it is a risk you are takinall you want. Won't fix anything.
    Trying to remember where I said in my post that I would bully anyone over having bad dps, or right I never did, I actually said that I would be willing to offer tips. Good job though at reading my post tho, and also assuming negative things are going to happen. Which is partly why SE doesnt involve in game parsers.
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    Last edited by Provoke; 03-16-2014 at 09:09 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IzumiRaito View Post
    If someone is low on dps, especially in df and progression static group, u should find out whats the cause of low dps and fix it, not kick the player. I hope u get a ban asap, because from what ur saying u must have kicked many innocent players.
    Lemme get this straight, you hope I get a ban for giving people many chances before nicely asking them to leave? And innocent? When you explain to someone what they are doing wrong nicely they admit it and they do their best to try to fix it, if it doesnt get fixed in many more attempts then usually they step out without a fight because they know they are holding back a group, and more times than not when you explain it that way they leave by themselves without needing to be asked.

    So from where am standing the only ass I see here is you. There is a limit to how much you can carry someone, if they aren't going to put the same amount of effort as the rest of the party why should they get some kind of special treatment? That said, you make a hell of alot of assumptions considering the ironic "find out what's the cause" when you yourself just jumped the gun. And again, reread what I said in the post you yourself quoted, "After many tries".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hanemakikaze View Post
    After many tries and same person making same mistakes it's time for them to pack up and leave.
    Quote Originally Posted by IzumiRaito View Post
    If someone is low on dps, especially in df and progression static group, u should find out whats the cause of low dps and fix it, not kick the player. I hope u get a ban asap, because from what ur saying u must have kicked many innocent players.
    Oh hey look, another case of, "I respond to posts but don't read them." fascinating.

    The player isnt innocent, he is in fact guilty. I myself have taken my step out of groups in the past for underperforming until I got the hand of content and so should other players, 7 players should not have to teach 1 person how to do something for 3 hours.


    Let's make an example of something that would happen in real life, since most of us are males here ill make it simple, your favorite football team drafts a new QB first game he throws an interception on every play, team loses. Are you going to sit there hope he just suddenly does better so your team keeps losing or are you going to try out 2nd string.
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    Last edited by Provoke; 03-16-2014 at 07:49 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Provoke View Post
    Trying to remember where I said in my post that I would bully anyone over having bad dps, or right I never did, I actually said that I would be willing to offer tips. Good job though at reading my post tho, and also assuming negative things are going to happen. Which is party why SE doesnt involve in game parsers.
    Wasn't directed just at you. You just provided a good example.

    In your case, you don't have to even mention a parser. Just say, "I noticed you aren't doing this in your rotation. Try this". They can't blame you for using a parser then. And if they still take it personal, they either read what you said in a rude way, or maybe they really do have thin skin. At that point it's out of your hands and there's nothing you can do but replace them if they aren't willing to listen.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Provoke View Post
    Are you going to sit there hope he just suddenly does better
    This player mentality is the root of all kicks for underperformance. Sudden automatic improvement is not gonna happen, u have to put in a little effort. Is asking player for a general rotation, how he uses off-gcd skills or handles burst dps checks, then pointing out the errors and suggesting tips that difficult?
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    Quote Originally Posted by IzumiRaito View Post
    This player mentality is the root of all kicks for underperformance. Sudden automatic improvement is not gonna happen, u have to put in a little effort. Is asking player for a general rotation, how he uses off-gcd skills or handles burst dps checks, then pointing out the errors and suggesting tips that difficult?
    You are not reading any of my posts, why are you responding.

    Quote Originally Posted by Provoke View Post
    Trying to remember where I said in my post that I would bully anyone over having bad dps, oh right I never did, I actually said that I would be willing to offer tips.
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    Last edited by Provoke; 03-16-2014 at 08:20 AM.

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    I honestly can't wait for the add-on support that we were promised years back. So I can finally show everyone how bad they really are at this game.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Balfreid View Post
    I honestly can't wait for the add-on support that we were promised years back.
    Didnt they said 6 month after released or something? Isnt it already past 6 month so far?
    But yeah, I cant wait for add-on either.
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    Quote Originally Posted by IzumiRaito View Post
    This player mentality is the root of all kicks for underperformance. Sudden automatic improvement is not gonna happen, u have to put in a little effort. Is asking player for a general rotation, how he uses off-gcd skills or handles burst dps checks, then pointing out the errors and suggesting tips that difficult?
    I'm curious, why is it a strangers responsibility to teach someone how to play their job? I already put in my effort learning my job and the content. If the player cannot keep up with the party, I fail to see why removal is such a big deal. Especially on a vote kick. This means at least half the group felt you were a detriment. That's not to say that players cannot improve, but wasting 7 others' time is not the way to go about it. Find a learning party, or do some research, or even better join a FC that can help you learn both rotations and content.

    If your performance is sub-par and you are removed for it the response is not to complain, the response is to get better so that it doesn't happen again. There are many ways to go about it. Find a constructive one.
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