Ifrit EX and future content

[pilot]

I don't think anyone is debating the strategic value in knowing when to hold back on dps or heals or whatever. In Ifrit X's case I think the mechanic is perceived as "the dumbest thing ever" because it is exposing the over simplified, "dumb" script of it all. Must every instance have so little room for deviation? Is it that important for nearly every player to feel accomplished and skillful given enough time spent straight up memorizing a pattern? I do not prefer this design in replacement of at least an attempt at something more random or reactionary (1.0 Ifrit X).

[SarcasmMisser]

It's also worth pointing out that the hard stonewall on DPS on Ifrit is going to feel even more dumb when we all have 2.2 gear and over-gear it so much the enrage will make it feel like the mechanics are on life support. It will not age well.

[SinisterJoint]

This is the dumbest advice I have ever heard. So what you're saying is to CONTROL your DPS so that its mediocore? lol

Funny how you say the dumbest advice is to not dps him to a point that kills you... moron

How about you tell your smn's, you know... to focus on the nails?? because I know for damn sure aint no smn able to dot up all the nails with full dots before dots wear off the first... fact.

It's not a hard concept, many many MMO's have done fights that require you to pace your dps. Why is it a foreign concept? You must be trying to skip the last set of nails...

[Crimson-Falcon]

who the hell keep attacking ifrit wen nails are up?

and for what purpose?

take ur time with killing nails u got all day to destroy them

[Ryuko]

It's specifically an issue with SMN, because dots keep ticking even when we switch to attack nails. It's usually not a problem with just one SMN because one set of dots will not push Ifrit over the edge (unless other people are wailing on Ifrit during nail phase). When you have more than one SMN in the party, those SMNs need to pay attention because if they allow their dots to keep ticking (even when working on other nails), it can become a big issue. Like I said in my previous post, I was once in a group with 3 SMN and we accidentally triggered hellfire a few times -- once on the second set of nails (I'm still not sure if that was a glitch or not). Regardless, we all had to consciously let our dots fall off when we knew we were getting close.

I'm not sure how I feel about this failsafe. On the one hand, there are way too many fights where you can just outright ignore mechanics if you have the dps to push through. One example that comes to mind are the plumes in Garuda hard. On the other hand, I feel like this is a silly way to force you to pay attention to your dps. /shrug But... it is what it is, and I've learned to adapt. I don't love it, but... I deal with it.

[Kuwagami]

Second of all, the idea of having too much DPS but not being able to utilize it all is just stupid and should be revised.

Actually I'd like SE to be far more punishing on people trying to zerg through important mechanics. PS was a really good step in the right direction. Ifrit's enrage too. Just remember the players they can't faceroll something just because they just want to pew-pew bosses down.

We all have seen an alliance not killing bombs for Vassagos and wiping half the raid "cuz that's ez you noob, just heal through and zerg"

[Lafiele]

lol. All I read is, i'm too stupid to slow down/control dps myself, I need SE to implement something so I don't have to worry about it. This is their fault and the mechanic is dumb because we are not allowed to go all out.

I like how people think the mechanic is stupid because they're not allowed to zerg through it.

[SarcasmMisser]

We know you're reading what you want to read. There isn't even a disagreement here unless you think 1 tank 1 heal Titan EM parties have "stupid" dps and those parties are "zerg".

It's funny even in the same fight there is a mechanic that does a DPS hold mechanic better and that's the nails. It's fairly well designed and intelligent so why did they go with the scotch tape solution on ifrit itself? It stinks of a rushed job.

[Marxam]

No, we had too much DPS. Ifrit enraged right after the nails popped, Will provide video soon.

You just answered you own question as to why there is an enrage timer. I'm pretty sure the Devs intended it to be 2 tanks (swapping stacks) instead of burning a boss. The 5 dps parties is an invention of the community to compensate for the lack of tanks and abundance of dps. Working as intended.

[Warlyx]

lol. All I read is, i'm too stupid to slow down/control dps myself, I need SE to implement something so I don't have to worry about it. This is their fault and the mechanic is dumb because we are not allowed to go all out.

I like how people think the mechanic is stupid because they're not allowed to zerg through it.

lol u got a point , but still the mechanic is just there to avoid killing ifrit while ignoring last round of nails >.< , if we can kill ifrit before he hellfire, let us kill it.

OP : we got wiped sometimes on ifrit ex for that reason too , we just slowed down .


same can be said of twintania , timing when 2nd neurolink breaks , sometimes it breaks just before conflag ~~....so we stop dps,and wait for conflag.

stoping dmg isnt nothing new...the first boss of FF usually teach u to stop dps i.e: