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    Ifrit EX and future content

    I hope SE reforms their enrage method in relation to DPS.

    I'm sure other people have experienced this on other fights if you have a lot of DPS.

    For Example, Ifrit EX will enrage and hellfire at a certain % of health if you DPS him down during the 13 nails phase. We were running 2 SMN's and the DOTs several times would bring Ifrit to a point where he would enrage and hellfire and kill us before we had a chance to kill all of the nails.

    First of all, please just make it invulnerable if anything. (for future content)
    Second of all, the idea of having too much DPS but not being able to utilize it all is just stupid and should be revised.
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    Last edited by Taei; 03-08-2014 at 09:36 AM.

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    Waekswys Styrmwyn
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    Just one more mechanic to know, I guess. I think having mechanics where you need to think and not just stomp on the accelerator is not a bad thing. On Ifrit EX, the important thing is the nails. Kill those and the rest is cake. No need to hurry.
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    Would this just because having 2 SMN are just a bit too slow on the nails? No offense to SMN and I know having 1 SMN in that fight is the same as having any other dps if not better. But 2 SMN may just not efficient enough because they can't just put dot on all the nails (in case they all blow up within a short period).

    I didn't know that the enrage mode also triggered by the HP left, but if that's really the case, it also should be SMN's responsibility to watch their dot and make sure not too many are left just before the 13 nails phase. I mean I'm sure you can have 2-3 dot on him at that point and be fine, and you don't really need to put 6 fresh dot on him just before the 13 nails.
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    Zumi Kasumi
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    Play smart don't dps him when the 3rd set of nails are up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zumi View Post
    Play smart don't dps him when the 3rd set of nails are up.
    This is the dumbest advice I have ever heard. So what you're saying is to CONTROL your DPS so that its mediocore? lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by Taei View Post
    This is the dumbest advice I have ever heard. So what you're saying is to CONTROL your DPS so that its mediocore? lol
    No its strategy if you hit him below 10% where he will hellfire. Its doing the mechanics of the fight correctly. There is no need for smn to multidot him because it hits him below the threshold where it will kill you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zumi View Post
    No its strategy if you hit him below 10% where he will hellfire. Its doing the mechanics of the fight correctly. There is no need for smn to multidot him because it hits him below the threshold where it will kill you.
    The problem is that it's a bad mechanic because it restricts skilled play beyond whatever is needed to kill him, for the sake of keeping another mechanic unskippable. There's no reason to try stuff like 1 healer runs or go for speed kills, you are punished for playing your job better than what is required. There are sub-4 minute Titan em speedkills, with 1 tank 1 healer compositions. It skips mechanics but the level of skill required is far beyond what is needed for a simple kill. Stuff like speedkills gives good teams something to do with the fights after it's long conquered, and nice friendly competition.

    Lots of people also feel this, but it feels lazy as well. Like they spent all their dev time in Titan and Garuda, and when they go to Ifrit they went very lazy. Repeating phases, low HP, and when they got to the issue of people just skipping nails they slapped an enrage on Ifrit and called it a day.
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    I really hate this with regards to Titan EX, if you are breaking the heart during his 5 way landslide he sometimes cancels the landslide and sometimes doesn't
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    Lafiel Abriel
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    Quote Originally Posted by Taei View Post
    This is the dumbest advice I have ever heard. So what you're saying is to CONTROL your DPS so that its mediocore? lol
    How is controlling your dps mediocre and dumb advice? If anything it's harder to control your dps than to let it all out. Being a master of your damage is more than just doing big hits. Learning to compensate for your teammates as a dps is one of the few fights that require it. Often, I will control my damage output based on my parties ability. It's just like how some tanks can't hold aggro as well so I control my damage output so I do just enough so I don't pull aggro.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Taei View Post
    This is the dumbest advice I have ever heard. So what you're saying is to CONTROL your DPS so that its mediocore? lol
    Yes, controling your damage output can mean something else than "stack all your buffs for the burn phase"...
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