New dungeons confirmed i55?

[Doo]

now i will also the reason why experience is not skill is because as you said the more you experience it the more you anticipate things and get timing better but in the end is that not skill? there are players that do titan alot and never get better at timing or anticipating what is going to happen would you say they are just not experiencing the content when they are? when in fact they just aren't getting better or more skill?

It's skill gained through experience which is how most players learn in real life and in games. Yes some players learn at a slower rate and some aren't capable of learning because learning itself is a skill.

so wouldn't that mean we would have to give players a chance to experience the content to get better?

We should in the right environment. Mixing players that are experience vs newer players in the hardest content is not going to end up pleasant most of the time. There's Duty Finder (which still is bad), FC/lS, and practice party finder groups for that. Having the proper gear and the proper learning environment will help more new players more than anything rather than sticking them into content they don't belong to learn with players that are at a higher skill level/more geared than them.

[NeoAmon]

So...how can you tell the difference between the two by looking at them?

Answer: You can't.

A person who legitimately cleared content, on that class, will be an above-average player (at worst) even with worse gear. This means using their class properly, not overgearing to power through it or getting carried and not dying...


You pretty much proved my point of "gear really doesn't matter", especially since you're one of the people helping to make the problem worse.

I'm not making it worse, either we do it or someone else does. I recall when FCs at my server started selling HM, I was strongly against it for the same reasons you are holding. Turned out I was a fool and missed out on hundred of millions market. Never again, we already practiced killing Twin with 7 players in anticipation of patch 2.2. After all if it is not me it will be someone else.

[Kayo]

You probably shouldnt change someones words and the entire meaning of the post they make if you are quoting them if the actual quote doesnt make your post fit simply copy and delete (cut) the quote and edit your post and post it after do not completely alter a quote the way you wish to see it =P

my post was simply stating my arguement behind the difference of gear vs skilll and the set minimum requirements of the dungeon I am neither for or against it as I will either do it with friends or not do it at all.

I cut the quote simply for the character limit requirement thing. Maybe it wasnt your intention or just playing devils advocate but saying "well, only about 25% of low ilvl players will actually be good enough" sounds a lot like justification for kicking a player for ilvl alone. Even if its true that only 25% will be good enough, thats still 25% of players being picked on and mistreated before even testing the waters. Not to mention how everyone deserves the right at least try and learn. /shrug

[PArcher]

I'm not making it worse, either we do it or someone else does. I recall when FCs at my server started selling HM, I was strongly against it for the same reasons you are holding. Turned out I was a fool and missed out on hundred of millions market. Never again, we already practiced killing Twin with 7 players in anticipation of patch 2.2. After all if it is not me it will be someone else.

Then why are you complaining about unskilled people?

If you're going to make the problem worse, you have no right to complain about it. And yes...everyone that sells carries is only making the problem worse.

You're greedy. Nothing else about it.

[Sessurea]

all this talk of skill.....*disappointed*

Its so much simpler than that. This is a game focused on on 2 things. Clearing content, and gaining ilvl. Think of ilvl as getting something you need from part A, in order to be able to complete part B. Why not have to NEED a certain amount of gear to complete a dungeon? As I said a few times: progression... to make gear actually required, and not just something that makes content go faster/less forgiving.

My last mmo was tera. Its last major patch provided endgame gear far surpassing previously available gear, gained from content that was hugely easier than the current hardest content at the time of that patch. As you might have guessed, people who enjoyed the pve aspect of tera soon quit. You guys wanna see that happen to ff? I hope coil t6+ has massive gear checks..

This post is in response to the heros who think all content is clearable at minimum ilvl, which I disagree with until I see full titanEX in ilvl 67 video =D

[NeoAmon]

Then why are you complaining about unskilled people?

If you're going to make the problem worse, you have no right to complain about it. And yes...everyone that sells carries is only making the problem worse.

You're greedy. Nothing else about it.

Wrong I did not complain nor do I have an issue with wiping a million time in AK with ilvl40 new players. I was talking to the person who says Ilvl has nothing to do with skills. It does as Twin still stand strong after many video guides on YouTube and many other written guides she is still unbeaten for many groups.

As for greed, tell that to the crafters whom are going to charge millions of gill on top of the base materials price for the new crafted gear. They did it at the start of the game and they will do it again, so my greed is nothing compared what you are going to see from those master crafters.

[DoctorPepper]

that is where you are wrong, i will never be good at kung fu (using you example) no matter how long i try i will never have the skill or ability to do it i just won't, experence shows you what you need to do while skill pulls it off. meaning experience is not skill because unlimited experience will never give you the skill.
practice makes perfect its called honing your skills for a reason not honing you experience.

Hah, well I guess there's no point in debating if you think there are things you can't do. You're only limited by yourself I suppose, to me people can do anything they set their mind to. I've proven this to myself countless times by learning new skills that I did not have any inherited ability to do, amazing what a little practice and dedication can do. I guess if you want to say you can't do something then that's your problem really. Enjoy playing with all the "skilled" fresh 50s who have no experience, I'll just wait until I can join content with friends again.

[necrosis]

These dungeons are likely on the same level as the current hard mode dungeons and PS, hell they're likely even easier since so many people whined about PS that they're nerfing it down.

And this is what pisses me off. They need to stop nerfing things and raise the iLVL.

Stop letting people bring a knife to a gun fight.

[Yumi_umi]

Welp, time to go back to ye ol methods and speed run em new dungeons for delicious tomes
:')

[illuminapanic]

They need to get rid of ilvl requirements from everything. It's sad going into i80+ advertised groups and watching these scrubs perform worse than fresh 50's. Raising the ilvl requirement does jack shit and if any of you players spend as much time out of your static coil/farm groups and more time into df/pf groups, you'd see it. What you're asking for is gear carried which is nonsense.

Maybe if getting i90 didn't just require you watch turtles have sex and pressing 3 buttons in a dungeon, THEN they could add ilvl requirements. As of right now, there is no way to tell the difference between a skilled player and a scrub just by ilvls. I read somewhere that twintania kills have indeed been sold also so if this is indeed true then twin weapons still mean jack shit on their main characters. There was also a forum thread a bit ago about people POS hacking twin kills. I'm too lazy to look for the link for you guys xD.

Also to the person asking for videos about doing Titan Ex at i67. Now this is all theorycrafting and personal experience. I don't have any classes that are full darklight anymore nor do I have any video capturing software to show you any tests.

Have you ever parsed fights and seen the dps numbers? Titan Ex is over kill with all 4 dps doing 220+. I've cleared it with 2/4 people doing around 150 and the other 2 doing 200-230. If you know how to play you're class, 170 dps is easily obtainable in full darklight + nq relic weapon. I'd even go as far as saying you can hit 200ish. That ilvl is about i70-i72 maybe which isn't too far from i67 so bring at the minimum requirement would give you plenty of dps if you are doing your part. Now with that said, if you can find 7 people with the same skillset, are you not able to complete a Titan Ex at minimum requirement? Are you saying that you, yourself, aren't able to do Titan Ex at i67? That you need more gear, personally, to complete it? Because if you are able to, then there are others who are able to as well.