Too much dancing

[Trashy]

Part of what you're missing there, is that it really, really, really sucked if you wiped, and it took a lot of time and effort and socialization to put a raid together.

Now you que up in DF, you don't even need to say hello, you could literally turn your chat window off, and if you wipe you just try again 10 seconds later. This wonderful conveniece has come at the cost of the need to actually find decent people, follow precise instructions, and build relationships.

That's exactly it. I don't want the challenge to be in putting up with BS like that. That's organizational stuff, and it's not fun. If I wanted to spend time trying to find competent people, get them to follow instructions, and build relationships, I'd spend more time at work. When I game, I want to play the game, not prepare to play it.

If FFXIV is a game about dancing, fine. I'd much rather play a dancing game than a game about organizing a dance party.

There was another boss in a later x-pac that during a certain phase if anyone used any magic spell on the boss, it full cured... which caused many many wipes so yes; NOT hitting a button can be challanging too. And finding reliable people amd the experience entirely more do-able, and enjoyable.

That's not challenging, it's stupid. It doesn't take any sort of skill to not use a spell on the boss. From your description of EQ bosses, it sounds like a good 50+% of the roles could be done with a basic script.

[Simaril]

That's not challenging, it's stupid. It doesn't take any sort of skill to not use a spell on the boss. From your description of EQ bosses, it sounds like a good 50+% of the roles could be done with a basic script.

I think I actually agree with you on this point. The big difference is... in EQ and other early games with raids... you had one shot at executing a realtively easy script that had to be done precisely, not the inifinte attempts that the new model affords.