Stop "fixing" the MW scrap it

[Demacia]

Raging too, I see. ^^; Do you agree there is a lot of gil in circulation in this game? I wasn't thinking it wouldn't cost as much to tax an instant transaction as Sonic thought, but are you really that against this idea? It's what you want, but not as easy as you wanted it so you're yelling at me?

I'm not crazy, I'm trying to be a mediator. I want everyone to be happy and for things to be fair.

No, you're borderline trolling just like Sonic is. Look I've seen your posts many times before and they're usually brimming with fanboyism and a love for this game as it is. I'm yelling at you because your posts are ridiculous, you're rude, and you try to play it off like you want "everyone to be happy" when in reality you really just want to cater to the players in your small bunch who enjoy bad things.

You want things to be fair for everyone, so players should have to pay extra to use something that's in every other game, yet no other game charges for it. However, the players who are content with the dogshit market wards that are currently in XIV get off scott free, because hey fuck everybody else right? They should pay for not using this garbage that I love so much!

[Eldaena]

No, you're borderline trolling just like Sonic is. Look I've seen your posts many times before and they're usually brimming with fanboyism and a love for this game as it is. I'm yelling at you because your posts are ridiculous, you're rude, and you try to play it off like you want "everyone to be happy" when in reality you really just want to cater to the players in your small bunch who enjoy bad things.

You want things to be fair for everyone, so players should have to pay extra to use something that's in every other game, yet no other game charges for it. However, the players who are content with the dogshit market wards that are currently in XIV get off scott free, because hey fuck everybody else right? They should pay for not using this garbage that I love so much!

You're assuming that I have alternative motives, but you're wrong. I want the MW to be enjoyable to all players, and what would I have to gain from putting other players out and saying "f you" to them? I want this game to be successful because I want to continue to play with my friends and have a good time. I gain nothing from trolling or trying to put others and their ideas down. Apparently, you do. You yell at me, and give little constructive criticism to improve things. You and Wolfie apparently just want everything scrapped and done away with, which is very counter productive. Try helping the situation instead of hindering it.

I suggest buying from the search menu and consider myself using it as well. Maybe not constantly, but I would, I know it. I get impatient too, and sometimes gil just doesn't matter to me.

Edit: Sorry, Wolfie apparently just wants the physical aspect removed, but if you can buy from the menu it hardly matters to people that want to use that or not if there is a physical part, whilst people that enjoy the zoned wards can still do so.

And for the record, having a different opinion isn't trolling. Bashing others, yelling at them and calling them stupid or their ideas thus, is.

[Demacia]

You're assuming that I have alternative motives, but you're wrong. I want the MW to be enjoyable to all players, and what would I have to gain from putting other players out and saying "f you" to them? I want this game to be successful because I want to continue to play with my friends and have a good time. I gain nothing from trolling or trying to put others and their ideas down. Apparently, you do. You yell at me, and give little constructive criticism to improve things. You and Wolfie apparently just want everything scrapped and done away with, which is very counter productive. Try helping the situation instead of hindering it.

I suggest buying from the search menu and consider myself using it as well. Maybe not constantly, but I would, I know it. I get impatient too, and sometimes gil just doesn't matter to me.

This post suggests to me (as usual, I get so tired of saying it) that you didn't actually READ my posts. I really don't know why I bother arguing with you. Oh well, such is life on the XIV forums.

[Sephr]

I suggest buying from the search menu and consider myself using it as well. Maybe not constantly, but I would, I know it. I get impatient too, and sometimes gil just doesn't matter to me.

What reason would you have for using the wards themselves when you could buy from the menu? I can pretty much guarantee you will be one of about 2 percent of the population who will continue to venture into the wards if they did this. People don't want to have to work before they can have fun, and it just seems like needless taxation of servers and hardware when they could just do away with it altogether.

But sure whatever, I'm not going to bother coming back to this thread, it's just too biased either way (myself being heavily on the one side) to ever really come up with something constructive.

[Eldaena]

What reason would you have for using the wards themselves when you could buy from the menu? I can pretty much guarantee you will be one of about 2 percent of the population who will continue to venture into the wards if they did this. People don't want to have to work before they can have fun, and it just seems like needless taxation of servers and hardware when they could just do away with it altogether.

But sure whatever, I'm not going to bother coming back to this thread, it's just too biased either way (myself being heavily on the one side) to ever really come up with something constructive.

Contrary to popular belief of players, some like to browse. I am one of them. I actually like going through retainers and see what people are selling and not even searching. Ridiculous time-wasting, right? Well, sometimes I do this and I enjoy it. It's fun for me, and at least for those who don't enjoy it could purchase from the instant menu. That's why I do want that implemented. I don't understand why people can't just advocate having that and stop demanding physical wards being taken away? Some people enjoy it, why would you take that away from them if there are alternatives?

[Sonic_the_Hedgehog]

No, you're borderline trolling just like Sonic is. Look I've seen your posts many times before and they're usually brimming with fanboyism and a love for this game as it is. I'm yelling at you because your posts are ridiculous, you're rude, and you try to play it off like you want "everyone to be happy" when in reality you really just want to cater to the players in your small bunch who enjoy bad things.

You want things to be fair for everyone, so players should have to pay extra to use something that's in every other game, yet no other game charges for it. However, the players who are content with the dogshit market wards that are currently in XIV get off scott free, because hey fuck everybody else right? They should pay for not using this garbage that I love so much!

But wouldn't Eldaena's idea give you what you even if you get charged a little extra? I thought you just wanted a system where you go to a counter, find what you want, then buy it. Anyway that's the point to a compromise, no one gets what they really want. You lose a little cash and I lose a little time. I think it balances out.

[Eldaena]

But wouldn't Eldaena's idea give you what you even if you get charged a little extra? I thought you just wanted a system where you go to a counter, find what you want, then buy it. Anyway that's the point to a compromise, no one gets what they really want. You lose a little cash and I lose a little time. I think it balances out.

That, although worded somewhat bittersweet, is true. We who like going to retainers "waste" our time, while you get your items right a way with a small tax. I don't think that's bad...

[Sephr]

That, although worded somewhat bittersweet, is true. We who like going to retainers "waste" our time, while you get your items right a way with a small tax. I don't think that's bad...

Why do you seem to think this is about you? You don't have a right to be put on an equal footing in terms of investment if you're actively willing to cripple your own play time for the sake of preserving a craptastic system.

I think people left due to content and other obnoxious things, and less over the wards. People would use an auction house if that is what they had to use, just like people use the market wards because that is what they have to use. Several other MMOs use AH and that is the only thing sitting in your favor. Lots of people are used to them. However, MW really are not that different and once they fix some of these things I think it could really be better.

Right I'm pretty much done now being as you seem to be completely bereft of common sense, however the reason why these games use an AH is because it's the most efficient way (read: most fun way because it gets you back to playing the actual game quickest) to support trade amongst players.
The reason it's 'in my favor' is because it makes the most sense, if any successful MMO implemented market wards, people would think it was a joke.

. As of this review's publish time the system requires you to hire a retainer, an NPC that can be given items and set in an instanced market area. The idea is that other players will enter into this area, find your retainer, and then purchase items you put up for sale. Yet in practice it means there's a disorganized mess of NPC retainers standing around market areas with little indication of what's being sold.

Just plucked that out of IGN's review from 8 months ago, I left off the part where it talks about not being able to find items because obviously we can at least search now. However it does help to give an 'outsider' impression of the system.

[Eldaena]

Why do you seem to think this is about you? You don't have a right to be put on an equal footing in terms of investment if you're actively willing to cripple your own play time for the sake of preserving a craptastic system.

Uhm, it's not crippling to me? I enjoy it. It's part of the game. And I didn't say this was all about me. It's about all players and trying to be reasonable.

[Eldaena]

Right I'm pretty much done now being as you seem to be completely bereft of common sense, however the reason why these games use an AH is because it's the most efficient way (read: most fun way because it gets you back to playing the actual game quickest) to support trade amongst players.
The reason it's 'in my favor' is because it makes the most sense, if any successful MMO implemented market wards, people would think it was a joke.

Playing the wards is part of the game to some people. Even more fun then fighting mind-numbing leves and pretending to be a machine crafting. AH does not = successful MMO. People use AH in MMOs because several people use them, it's an old system that some are familiar with. That FFXIV didn't conform to this doesn't mean MW is the worst thing ever. The only complaint that is reasonable valid that people are having now is that you can't buy things instantly from the search menu.