Stop "fixing" the MW scrap it

[Wolfie]

RMT can take advantage of the market wards just as easily as an auction house. They're just people with a lot of free time. If you can do something, so can they. Making your economy more inaccessible, unintuitive and frustrating is going to make people want to turn to RMT even more.

[KalaKenshu]

Going from ward to ward is my only complaint.

I like market wards because:

1.) It becomes a fun race to find a deal on an item, and gives you that feeling of actually shopping for items.

2.) I usually check out other stuff someone is selling. Chances are, if they have cheap mining ores they might have some cheap tools too. I really like finding deals that way.

3.) If I want to just browse a type of item, say tradescraft tools, I can just walk around the ward seeing what people have to offer.

Is it that bad to have to search for items and go to the right ward? Really? I vote to keep the wards. I have no problem selling or buying things. There's even a search for and pricing (lowest to highest) for items, so you can just pick the lowest one. It's really easy enough to do.

[Wolfie]

You did not spend 2-3 hours getting armor and ninja scrolls on FFXI's AH unless there were none put up and you were waiting for someone to post the items.

You are a god damn liar.

[Kilta_Firelotus]

You did not spend 2-3 hours getting armor and ninja scrolls on FFXI's AH unless there were none put up and you were waiting for someone to post the items.

You are a god damn liar.

nope that was due to all the bidding and comparing items Mostly the bidding. Stop saying I'm a lier. I do not lie.
Stop saying stupid stuff with out thinking or asking questions. In ffxi not all items were always listed under the "last bought" price list. Or did you not realise this happen? I've seen items be last sold for 10K and it takes me 30 tries to "win" a bid. You didn't buy out items on the ffxi AH you placed a bid. And this was a full set of gear from head to toe rings and neck included. this was also 10+ sets of tool belts 1 belt stack for each ninja spell sometimes took me 10 bids. neck gear can be 40 bids. Each bid takes about 1-2 min to go through depending where you are. So no. Seriously guys stop being so stupid and release that nothing was 100% fast with an AH.

[Shikyo]

You did not spend 2-3 hours getting armor and ninja scrolls on FFXI's AH unless there were none put up and you were waiting for someone to post the items.

You are a god damn liar.

Exactly.
The only way you spent that much time shopping is because you wanted to.
I've had AH trips just window shopping or strategy shopping where it may have taken a while but was actually enjoyable, not because you had aweful system to fight with to find what you need.
So what she said was complete load of crap....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-JFfN5pKzFU

[Wolfie]

I'm calling you out on your BS posts.

Were you incrementing by 1 gil at a time?

If you were doing normal increments, 100; 1,000; 10,000; it would not take you 30 attempts per item to deck yourself out. No bid takes 1-2 minutes to go through, it takes 10 seconds tops. Any latency worse than 10 seconds would net you in a server disconnect.

Moreover, you said that it takes longer to get your items in WOW's AH, where you can see the price and buy the item directly from the menu, and take a single 10 second trip to a mailbox to pick all of them up at once.

You're a liar.

[Kilta_Firelotus]

I'm calling you out on your BS posts.

Were you incrementing by 1 gil at a time?

If you were doing normal increments, 100; 1,000; 10,000; it would not take you 30 attempts per item to deck yourself out. No bid takes 1-2 minutes to go through, it takes 10 seconds tops. Any latency worse than 10 seconds would net you in a server disconnect.

Moreover, you said that it takes longer to get your items in WOW's AH, where you can see the price and buy the item directly from the menu, and take a single 10 second trip to a mailbox to pick all of them up at once.

You're a liar.

nope not all the time with WoW sometimes on the weekends the AH would be so congested there will be a notic on waiting due to congestion

And no I wasn't going up 1 gi;. More like 500-1K-10K iincriments. I'm not bsing. If you need proof log into Lakshmi and track down a Soulus. He used to complain how long i spent at the AH. Due to all the crap I mentioned. Stop assuming AH is perfect. It isn't.

[Kilta_Firelotus]

in some cases MW are better then AH.

compare to WoWs AH
1 better organized list of where your item is
2 no waiting for itens to be put in a mail box
3 not having to bid on an item due to a rediculously high buy out cost.
4 not having to deal with bidding and waiting several hours only to find you was out bid.

FFXI AH
1 you know the price right off the bat
2 no need to worry about bidding
3 no more worring about being a split second late in getting the last item listed.


What we can improve
1 key word feature
2 a menu buy out but taxing the buyer.
3 a larger area for retainers to deal with space issues
4 automatic preplaced locations and retainers automaticaly use stall and have option to "model" your wares through it.


There is no serious issue with the MW and only complaint is walking to a retainer. But that is the same time it takes to make a bid or wait/ getting an item from the AH/mail box.

[Kilta_Firelotus]

I have nothing to gain about lying about the ffxi AH. I'm talking about my REAL experiences, [Removed by Moderator according to the FINAL FANTASY XIV FORUM Guidelines.]. This stuff did happen in ffxi. And it got worst. I try to get items so I do not have to deal with the AH in ffxi. I hated wasting time I could spent with my b/f ingame and having fun with him since we was long distance. I would have so much time wasted he would get mad and end up not having time to help me on a mission or hang out with me.

Again I have nothing to gain by lying. [Removed by Moderator according to the FINAL FANTASY XIV FORUM Guidelines.] It also didn't take 10 seconds either I timed it. [Removed by Moderator according to the FINAL FANTASY XIV FORUM Guidelines.] ... I did infact say, "depending on some areas" Like Whitegate had a ton of lag, so bid loading took a while at times. [Removed by Moderator according to the FINAL FANTASY XIV FORUM Guidelines.]

[Wolfie]

in some cases MW are better then AH.

compare to WoWs AH
1 better organized list of where your item is

Bull****. WOW's AH as a tree menu that lists every item category, and every slot.

http://www.wowction.com/wp-content/u...cutting-ah.jpg

Each one of those menus on the left side opens up into a multi-level tree structure.

2 no waiting for itens to be put in a mail box

Items are placed in your inventory, but you have to run around more than you do in WOW. In WOW, you purchase all your items, and take a single trip to your mailbox to purchase all of them. For one single item, MW is on par with WOW because you have to factor in zone time and walking up to the retainer. For two or more items, WOW beats FFXIV hands down.

3 not having to bid on an item due to a rediculously high buy out cost.

Less than 1% of sellers and buyers make use of the bid function. It's a legacy feature on AH. Everything is done through buyout prices. There ARE no "rediculously high buy out" costs, because items go stale on the AH and price gouging encourages undercutting.

4 not having to deal with bidding and waiting several hours only to find you was out bid.

See above.

Not going to argue the case against FFXI's AH, because it sucked and MW is definitely better for everyone, but it's not faster in any shape.

Want something different? Compare MW to Aion's trade broker. If you don't know how that works, picture WOW's AH, but without the option of allowing bids and items are instantly placed in your inventory on purchase.