Stop "fixing" the MW scrap it

[Lerris]

An AH needs to be designed and integrated from the ground up.
Scrapping, rather than stabilizing, the market wards will leave us with no system to use in the meantime.

So, we're likely stuck with the status quo until a replacement is designed and implemented.

[Eldaena]

I can absolutely promise you more people will use the AH. You do realise you can't base the entire potential playerbase off these forums right? The only people left are pretty much hardcore fans and a few lingerers hoping it'll get better so they keep checking back.

We already know the majority of people thought it was shit, that's why they ditched the game and about 5% of the original population is left.

I think people left due to content and other obnoxious things, and less over the wards. People would use an auction house if that is what they had to use, just like people use the market wards because that is what they have to use. Several other MMOs use AH and that is the only thing sitting in your favor. Lots of people are used to them. However, MW really are not that different and once they fix some of these things I think it could really be better.

[Sephr]

That, although worded somewhat bittersweet, is true. We who like going to retainers "waste" our time, while you get your items right a way with a small tax. I don't think that's bad...

Why do you seem to think this is about you? You don't have a right to be put on an equal footing in terms of investment if you're actively willing to cripple your own play time for the sake of preserving a craptastic system.

I think people left due to content and other obnoxious things, and less over the wards. People would use an auction house if that is what they had to use, just like people use the market wards because that is what they have to use. Several other MMOs use AH and that is the only thing sitting in your favor. Lots of people are used to them. However, MW really are not that different and once they fix some of these things I think it could really be better.

Right I'm pretty much done now being as you seem to be completely bereft of common sense, however the reason why these games use an AH is because it's the most efficient way (read: most fun way because it gets you back to playing the actual game quickest) to support trade amongst players.
The reason it's 'in my favor' is because it makes the most sense, if any successful MMO implemented market wards, people would think it was a joke.

. As of this review's publish time the system requires you to hire a retainer, an NPC that can be given items and set in an instanced market area. The idea is that other players will enter into this area, find your retainer, and then purchase items you put up for sale. Yet in practice it means there's a disorganized mess of NPC retainers standing around market areas with little indication of what's being sold.

Just plucked that out of IGN's review from 8 months ago, I left off the part where it talks about not being able to find items because obviously we can at least search now. However it does help to give an 'outsider' impression of the system.

[Eldaena]

Demacia, I think we'll have an easier time convincing a grizzly bear to part with her cub than to convince these guys that MW is bad.

They've invested emotional effort into a s***ty feature.

Same to you, sweet Wolfie. You are just as tightly wound against your idea of it being a bad feature as we are of it being a good one. The different is Sonic and I are at least bringing up ideas and points while you two just say it's bad and leave it at that.

[Eldaena]

Why do you seem to think this is about you? You don't have a right to be put on an equal footing in terms of investment if you're actively willing to cripple your own play time for the sake of preserving a craptastic system.

Uhm, it's not crippling to me? I enjoy it. It's part of the game. And I didn't say this was all about me. It's about all players and trying to be reasonable.

[Sonic_the_Hedgehog]

Demacia, I think we'll have an easier time convincing a grizzly bear to part with her cub than to convince these guys that MW is bad.

They've invested emotional effort into a s***ty feature.

I'm not emotionally invested, I said awhile ago in this thread that I'm neither for or against an AH. If they took out the MWs tomorrow I wouldn't care, but I think it should be given a chance to improve. Like I said before I think Eldaena's idea would work. If they implemented that and everyone hated it, then do whatever you want at that point.

[Wolfie]

Same to you, sweet Wolfie. You are just as tightly wound against your idea of it being a bad feature as we are of it being a good one. The different is Sonic and I are at least bringing up ideas and points while you two just say it's bad and leave it at that.

Ah, here we go. Edited by Moderator. I've explained time and time again why I think it's a bad feature, what works, and what needs to change. Edited by Moderator

[Eldaena]

Right I'm pretty much done now being as you seem to be completely bereft of common sense, however the reason why these games use an AH is because it's the most efficient way (read: most fun way because it gets you back to playing the actual game quickest) to support trade amongst players.
The reason it's 'in my favor' is because it makes the most sense, if any successful MMO implemented market wards, people would think it was a joke.

Playing the wards is part of the game to some people. Even more fun then fighting mind-numbing leves and pretending to be a machine crafting. AH does not = successful MMO. People use AH in MMOs because several people use them, it's an old system that some are familiar with. That FFXIV didn't conform to this doesn't mean MW is the worst thing ever. The only complaint that is reasonable valid that people are having now is that you can't buy things instantly from the search menu.

[Eldaena]

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I'm not. I seriously want change and I want a fair system. You on the other hand are picking out things that are bad about the feature that really do not matter. Again, i will say, the only valid thing I felt you said was that it is time-consuming. Zoning, finding retainers, checking prices, etc.

We're more on the same side than you think, but you'd rather believe we're enemies and tread on my ideas like they're nothing. Whilst you bring up no other ideas but to smash physical wards like some kind of plague. Why can't we both have what we want? Why can't constructive ideas happen here? Why do you and demacia have to put me down and yell at me or any other person who is for market ward enhancement?

[Sephr]

It's just going round in circles now, having a search menu would make the wards redundant for 99% of people, but the lingering few love it and so we go on...

Bai